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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.

    Sadly your right...

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

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    Sadly your right...

    We learned it all from the Soviet bloc and East Germany during the Cold War, where if an athlete didn't shine in national competition, when he got back home, he and his coaches were ostracised or even worse. They had to succeed at all costs. Remember what Saddam Hussein's sons did to the Iraqi soccer team after returning from the Olympics with a silver medal? Now, this whole concept of doping has gone viral, worldwide.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Outlawing doping and testing for it is going to become increasingly difficult the way it is difficult to keep up with laws and testing about "designer" drugs. Even herbs are a drugs and virtually all drugs originate from organic substances.

    She used to talk about how people did even simple things to give a slight edge. Going on oxygen before an event lessens the work load of the heart and lungs - adding just a tad of endurance then in the event. Ordinary aspirin can thin blood if it hot. Caffeine of course is a powerful stimulant. What a person does and doesn't eat before events can have a big effect. There are ways that "stuff" in the blood can be removed and other beneficial substances that are not drugs can be added to overall improve metabolism and make the body overall more efficient. A person purging their stomach and bowels can reduce their weigh as much as 2% - a BIG difference in some competitions.

    She also used to explain there are enhancement "drugs" and substances that are exorbitantly expensive and do not show up on testing - so costly most athletes can not afford them. She said there is an underground network not easy to get into for such substances.

    Still another complexity to testing is for many substances a person can use it, obtain the benefits, and then go off it long enough for it to be out of their system - but they still have much of the benefits - primarily in regards to muscle mass.

    Sometimes events would not say they were drug testing, but before the competition would surprise announce it. She said when that happened, it was not rare for 1/4th to over half dropping out to avoid the test and the result being on their record. She only refused to take a test one time and that when it was to be done in a way she felt too humiliating (someone watching her produce a urine sample). She said she isn't going to allow someone watching her like that - too degrading.

    And yes, as she won time and again - sometimes flawlessly and seemingly super human - people would spread gossip that she must be using performance drugs. Unfortunately, rumor and bitterness from others is often accepted as true or at least suspicious.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

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    We learned it all from the Soviet bloc and East Germany during the Cold War, where if an athlete didn't shine in national competition, when he got back home, he and his coaches were ostracised or even worse. They had to succeed at all costs. Remember what Saddam Hussein's sons did to the Iraqi soccer team after returning from the Olympics with a silver medal? Now, this whole concept of doping has gone viral, worldwide.
    As president of Iraq's Olympic committee, the president's son was the country's sports czar. According to several accounts from players, he turned his sadistic obsessions on the national soccer team.

    After drawing or losing games, players were punished. A missed penalty or other poor play entailed a ritual head shaving at the Stadium of the People, or being spat on by Uday's bodyguards.

    A series of poor passes, carefully counted, could result in a player's being forced to stand before the president's son in the dressing room, hands at his side, while he was punched or slapped in the face an equal number of times.

    But those were the lesser miseries. Some players endured long periods in a military prison, beaten on their backs with electric cables until blood flowed. Other punishments included "matches" kicking concrete balls around the prison yard in 130-degree heat, and 12-hour sessions of push-ups, sprints and other fitness drills, wearing heavy military fatigues and boots.

    Soccer Players Describe Torture by Hussein's Son

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.
    Again, I do not believe this is anything new and is as common if not more elsewhere around the world.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

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    What if there were a law to only allow televise/broadcast non-doping sports? Or a 'pact' with the media conglomerates?
    But, allow small mom & pop streamers & news. This would remove the money from the pro-doping sports and still allow the person that doesn't mind a little "help" to get the doping record. History would show the dopers will fall off the list. Morals win any day if there is a choice. Call it alternative sports - this idea would also allow robotic enhancements as well. We all know those are coming soon too...
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Are you surpised? Cheating to get ahead is the American way now.
    It might be your way, but not mine. Speak for yourself.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So Lance is stripped of his wins and whoever came in second gets the win instead. 90% of the time that will be an admitted doper who paid a fine to beat the rap. Lance never tested positive for drugs.
    HE actually did, but not in competition.

    They do hold onto samples for a few years and often go back and retest when the technology catches up to the cheaters. After the fact, 2 of Armstrong's samples came up positive.

    The "he/she never test positive" argument means diddly squat. Marion Jones never tested positive and she was doped up to the gills. She got caught another way. The cheaters are always ahead of the testers, unfortunately.
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