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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is just such a shame. I don't know what evidence they have, but apparently Armstrong has stopped fighting it. I think it's fair, though. What about the guys who tried and tried to compete with him? It's not fair to them.

    If they can't find doping with a blood test before the race, though, then they should just let everyone do it, in my opinion. What's the point of having drug tests if, even though you pass, they're going to nail you on down the road?
    Thats a good point that I didnt grab right off...why wasnt he caught during the pre competition testing...I dont know I havent followed this close..I was shocked it really came to this...I thought he would be exonerated

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is just such a shame. I don't know what evidence they have, but apparently Armstrong has stopped fighting it. I think it's fair, though. What about the guys who tried and tried to compete with him? It's not fair to them.
    I read that 10 of his former team-mates had agreed to testify against him.

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    If they can't find doping with a blood test before the race, though, then they should just let everyone do it, in my opinion. What's the point of having drug tests if, even though you pass, they're going to nail you on down the road?
    Drug tests find the stuff that athletes put into their bodies up to 6months or just before they compete. Drugs that are put into an athlete years before they start competing are harder to trace. Having said that, it's still hard to find some drugs in the system but it has to be done so that athletes who don't want to use drugs can feel they have a fair chance.

    Strange that they are stripping his titles off him - many former Olympic Gold medalists have confessed to drug use and the after-effects but kept their medals and winning times. Also strange (but good) that the US agency is putting in a lifetime ban - there were at least 3-4 Gold medalists at 2012 who had come back to the Olympics after 2-3 year bans.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    It seems that the board might not have the power to strip him of all the medals as they claim. Cue fights over jurisdiction....
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats a good point that I didnt grab right off...why wasnt he caught during the pre competition testing...I dont know I havent followed this close..I was shocked it really came to this...I thought he would be exonerated
    Well that is a good question and the answer is one that the US anti-doping agency and the International Cycling Union would rather not have. Problem is when you have a superstar like Armstrong.. the money involved with him staying the race so to say, far far far outweighs (at the time) the money involved in a clean race. The US anti-doping agency has been known, especially during the 1980s and 1990s.. well up to Balco, to let the superstars "off" and not test them that much. Marion Jones is a good example. Everyone knew something was wrong but nothing was done. In the end she was busted for lying not for doping I believe. Or Carl Lewis.. never busted, nor any of the stars of that time.. and yet..
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Strange that they are stripping his titles off him - many former Olympic Gold medalists have confessed to drug use and the after-effects but kept their medals and winning times. Also strange (but good) that the US agency is putting in a lifetime ban - there were at least 3-4 Gold medalists at 2012 who had come back to the Olympics after 2-3 year bans.
    They cant strip him of the titles.. they are idiots. It has to be the organisations that hold the races that have to strip him of the titles and medals. Now the Tour de France leadership and the international cycle union wont hesitate hehe so the Tour medals are gone. The Olympic medals .. well the IOC probably will take the medal, since they did that to Marion Jones.

    As for the lift time ban.. wont hold up in court. The UK tried to do that against its own drug cheats and lost. Not that it matters for Armstrong.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To be honest with y'all... I don't understand what the big deal with doping is. I go to the gym quite often and have never felt a need to use roids but it's crossed my mind in order to push my body a little further. With that said, I don't see a difference between using roids and a better bike or different shoes. They ALL give the athlete certain advantages or at least are marketed as such. So why aren't all athletes made to wear the same shoes or same equipment in the Olympics? If the thing we are doing is making sure no athlete has an unfair advantage that is.

    The main reason I would give is that steroids are very harmful. There are a lot of side effects to taking them, not excluding the testicular cancer that Armstrong suffered through. So IMO, even if just 1 athlete is unwilling to risk his health in order to compete at the highest level of cycling, them he should have the right to compete in a clean, dope free sport.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    As someone who couldn't care less about sports and has almost zero knowledge of sporting trends and whatever, and I say this in the interest of full honesty and disclosure...

    ...why does anyone care about doping in sports, in any manner? Seriously, I don't get it. Why should I care if Armstrong used growth hormones or whatever to win a race? Why are MLB players being hauled in front of Congress? Why is any of this in any news source outside of SportsCenter?

    Because it's cheating. Rules are rules. You may not give a rat's ass about sports, but many others do.
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I read that 10 of his former team-mates had agreed to testify against him.



    Drug tests find the stuff that athletes put into their bodies up to 6months or just before they compete. Drugs that are put into an athlete years before they start competing are harder to trace. Having said that, it's still hard to find some drugs in the system but it has to be done so that athletes who don't want to use drugs can feel they have a fair chance.

    Strange that they are stripping his titles off him - many former Olympic Gold medalists have confessed to drug use and the after-effects but kept their medals and winning times. Also strange (but good) that the US agency is putting in a lifetime ban - there were at least 3-4 Gold medalists at 2012 who had come back to the Olympics after 2-3 year bans.
    Don't they also take blockers than hide the detection of drug usage?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    As someone who couldn't care less about sports and has almost zero knowledge of sporting trends and whatever, and I say this in the interest of full honesty and disclosure...

    ...why does anyone care about doping in sports, in any manner? Seriously, I don't get it. Why should I care if Armstrong used growth hormones or whatever to win a race? Why are MLB players being hauled in front of Congress? Why is any of this in any news source outside of SportsCenter?
    About the doping, the Libertarian in me feels the same. It's their body. Why should I care what they do with it?
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    Re: Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA To Ban Cyclist For Life, Strip Him Of 7 Tou

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It seems that the board might not have the power to strip him of all the medals as they claim. Cue fights over jurisdiction....
    They stripped titles off Penn State and paterno...I know its two different agencies ..

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