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    Careful What You Say

    Don't complain about the government because you could be inciting rebellion and find yourself jailed without trial.

    Free Speech Was Such A Nice Concept



    I disagree with the Obama slam on the video because Romney is all for this kind of thing and do we really need to recount Bush's record. In case you haven't figured it out the danger to America isn't the guy without a shirt it's the guys "just doing their job". It would be nice to live in country where this didn't happen and if it did we could bring charges on everyone involved in this kidnapping including the guys "just doing their job".

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    "....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.
    Yes. I think people should be free until they actually commit a crime. I don't believe in thought crimes and if you do I hope all your thoughts are government approved.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    I must admit that this is one of the few times I can agree with the ACLU. However, according to the article, the ACLU appears to be gutless because this situation only causes concern ... and, as yet, has not taken any action.

    Yet another Free Speech issue.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    generally, popping off on the internet about starting an armed revolution and killing people = bad idea.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    generally, popping off on the internet about starting an armed revolution and killing people = bad idea.
    Umm.



    He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    Umm.



    He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?
    That's Iran. Who gives a two-oz **** about what people say about other countries?

    I agree in spirit; free speech can easily be slowly curtailed when the authorities , and the nature of his detention by the federales seems unfair and probably against some law. Lawyer up, boy-o; he's a white former Marine, I think he'll probably do okay.

    But on the other hand, this guy was saying some pretty dumb **** on Facebook. You can frame in nice terms like "pro-liberty" (whatever the hell that is), but they were basically veiled threats of "action" against the government and private banking institutions. I said it before, the real lesson here is not to use Facebook for ANYTHING beyond liking pictures of new babies and telling strangers you're at a burger joint. It amazes me, to this day, how idiotically people use Facebook. It seems to be most peoples undoing. I guarantee if he had arranged a rally or spoke at a town hall in the same manner, he'd be free today.

    To summarize;

    Police action against individual; dumb and probably illegal.

    Individual's actions on Facebook: just a wee bit dumber.

    To me, the issue here isn't the speech, it's the medium.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    Umm.



    He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?
    that equivalence is shaky at best. i find McCain to be far too hawkish to ever be considered for a vote, and i strongly disagree with the trend of legislating around the constitution as a plank in the platform of the WOT. however, the individual in the OP was hinting around at starting an armed revolution in which people would be killed, and he was doing it on a facebook page. what the individual in question was far more likely to do, however, would probably have more closely resembled the current "flip out and shoot people" model. and after he did it, there would be fifty threads on this site asking why no one did anything when they saw the posts. well, someone did something. he was detained, and he didn't kill anyone.

    if you want to change things, work to elect a candidate that you agree with, and vote. if you want to go to jail, get on facebook and talk about armed revolution and decapitating people.

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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Here is what this man posted on Facebook that got him detained.
    America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism.



    The federal reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of gread and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.



    We have allowed ourselves to be devieced and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The federal reserve is artificially manipulating interests rates and creating phony economic data. This thing has decieved our entire nation.



    They created it 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.



    There is a better way. It's called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the feedoms of other people.



    I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.



    There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.



    Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of goverment.



    Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.



    We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts. They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.



    This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world's population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.



    These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.



    They are controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in rags.



    The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.



    Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are loosing their limbs. They are loosing their lives. They are loosing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.



    They have done some extroadinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They decieved our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!



    September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.



    Your leaders betrayed you.



    You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.



    These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate facism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.



    There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
    Stephen R. Covey


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    Re: Careful What You Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.
    Our country was built on the right to rise up and resist. Our constitution protects that. His manifesto of grievences I listed above. Nothing wrong with anything this man said.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
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