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So wait, this guy is a patriot for taking some libertarian ideas to the ideological extreme, but Ron Paul endorses a watered down version and he's a dangerous nut job? Can't have it both ways.

I'm skeptical of this case. Either the govt. overreacted or we don't have the full picture.
I will go with your latter assumption. Tens of thousands post paranoid dribble across the internet everyday. Why do they go after this guy? Just saying the government if F-kd up is not a reason to do what they did, and would not even cause any red flags for them to do so. I would imagine there is a lot more to this guy then simply rambling off about evil tyrannical government that is done endlessly throughout the internet every day.
 
Except that the Supreme Court is just that: The Supreme Court. Their interpretation of the Constitution is law. A warrant was never necessary for taking a person to medical facility, because it isn't incarceration.

Like saying a regulation is not a law. If it has the effect of law it is a law. Same with incarceration. Detention and placement into a mental institution has the effect of incarceration so therefore should be considered incarceration. Parcing words is a two way street. You would think an attorney would be able argue this effectively.
 
Your making my point for me by saying worst things are posted everyday without consequence. And my point lies in the suspicious behavior software Trapwire has!

Your point is that the government violated the 4th amendment rights of this guy over some some stuff he said on facebook.

And?? I'm waiting for you to defend your support for them here. I see nothing so far.
Then you're intentionally ignoring reality.
 
That's nice and all, but he wasn't sent to jail. He was sent to a VA hospital for psychiatric observation, which tells me there's a whole hell of a lot more to this story than what's being told.

Maybe the government reacted the way it did because of his military experience.
 
Your point is that the government violated the 4th amendment rights of this guy over some some stuff he said on facebook.

Then you're intentionally ignoring reality.

I'm looking at the words written that make up the fourth amendment and then understanding what each and every last word means in the English language and the intended purpose of the amendment. It's apparent that the supreme court ignored basic English and the intent of the amendment that was right in front of them to come up with the decision that a medical facility is somehow not counted. Its also apparent that you can't actually defend them here or your support for it. These are all things in reality. Sorry.
 
Our country was built on the right to rise up and resist. Our constitution protects that. His manifesto of grievences I listed above. Nothing wrong with anything this man said.

It didn't do much to protect McCarthy's victims when they needed it, did it?
 
Maybe the government reacted the way it did because of his military experience.

There's a lot more to this than what's being stated. Police send a guy to a VA clinic (not a regular state run medical facility, but the VA) over something he said on facebook? Yeah, ok. For some reason, people like to think that Veterans are super human demigods that are impervious to fault and human imperfection, but we're human like anyone else. We can snap and lose our minds just like anyone else, but we're more dangerous when we do. There was a group in a Stryker unit that murdered Afghans, and kept hands and fingers as trophies, and SSGT Bales, who walked off post one day and massacred 17 Afghans. We have Marines and Soldiers who have come back from deployment, and killed themselves and/or others. I remember one guy murdered his entire family, including his child who wasn't even old enough to walk, before shooting himself. Another, a Marine, decided he wanted to die by starting a firefight with the police, he killed a couple of them. But this Marine is a sweet lil angel that would never hurt a fly, and got oppressed by the mean ole gubmint? I'm not buying it.

I'm looking at the words written that make up the fourth amendment and then understanding what each and every last word means in the English language and the intended purpose of the amendment. It's apparent that the supreme court ignored basic English and the intent of the amendment that was right in front of them to come up with the decision that a medical facility is somehow not counted. Its also apparent that you can't actually defend them here or your support for it. These are all things in reality. Sorry.

Then take it up with the Supreme Court. A warrant, nor Miranda Rights have never been required for hospitalization.
 
There's a lot more to this than what's being stated. Police send a guy to a VA clinic (not a regular state run medical facility, but the VA) over something he said on facebook? Yeah, ok. For some reason, people like to think that Veterans are super human demigods that are impervious to fault and human imperfection, but we're human like anyone else. We can snap and lose our minds just like anyone else, but we're more dangerous when we do. There was a group in a Stryker unit that murdered Afghans, and kept hands and fingers as trophies, and SSGT Bales, who walked off post one day and massacred 17 Afghans. We have Marines and Soldiers who have come back from deployment, and killed themselves and/or others. I remember one guy murdered his entire family, including his child who wasn't even old enough to walk, before shooting himself. Another, a Marine, decided he wanted to die by starting a firefight with the police, he killed a couple of them. But this Marine is a sweet lil angel that would never hurt a fly, and got oppressed by the mean ole gubmint? I'm not buying it.



Then take it up with the Supreme Court. A warrant, nor Miranda Rights have never been required for hospitalization.
A judge just ordered him released, saying very specifically the goverment had absolutely nothing with which the could hold him. Thats a serious statement by a judge. They dont normally do that.
 
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TThen take it up with the Supreme Court. A warrant, nor Miranda Rights have never been required for hospitalization.

That is not what the fourth amendment says. Did you read it yet?
 
That is not what the fourth amendment says. Did you read it yet?

I'm well aware of what it says. The Constitution also guarantees the right to peacably assemble, and that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but guess what?
 
I suspect the fbi monitors Facebook ala the Patriot Act...or maybe somebody turned him in. I dunno.

Another question is how did the media or press know to show up when they arrested the guy....at his own house? What made him so special to get that kind of attention compared to countless other arrests?

Trapwire? Is that like software that filters or picks up on key words? Such as....bomb.......ba ba bomb......ba ba ba bomb?

What is TrapWire?

While it’s been widely described as a Minority Report-like, global facial-recognition surveillance system to predict your every move, it’s actually much less exciting than that. TrapWire is kind of predictive, but it doesn’t apparently rely on facial recognition—probably because the company isn’t very good at that particular technology yet. It’s not necessarily worldwide, though its list of reported users is pretty extensive: Las Vegas casinos, #10 Downing Street, the New York City subway system (though the Department has flatly denied using the system), the LAPD, Washington, D.C., and all of Texas. Basically, TrapWire uses whatever closed-circuit cameras the user can access (like those domed security cameras on the ceilings of grocery stores, in the subway, and, well, everywhere else) to monitor activity. Nothing new so far; security cameras tend to do that kind of thing. But here’s where it gets interesting: “suspicious activities” – taking pictures, making measurements, and other things that could point to a nefarious terrorist plot – can be flagged. These are combined with civilian reports aggregated by the software (think “If you see something, say something”), and assessed by TrapWire analysts. The resulting “suspicious activity reports” are sent to the user and any relevant law enforcement, including the Department of Homeland Security.

TrapWire: The Less-Than-Advertised System To Spy On Americans - The Daily Beast
 
That retard sounds like a run of the mill Ron Paul supporter.
 
:lol: I think anarchy is fun. Assassinations are like Call of Duty. I hate the cops. There is a bomb in my pants. This subway is a great target for my penis bomb. Come at me CIA.

In all seriousnes, I would be fairly certain that the CIA had reason to order his arrest. Any number of unarrested people have said raucus things so I'm gonna throw out there that he probably was doing whatever they said. Mistakes would be devastating to the CIA's integritiy so I highly doubt that they would risk a slip up.

Note: I used the CIA because I don't know what agency this involves but I'd assume FBI/CIA
 
:lol: I think anarchy is fun. Assassinations are like Call of Duty. I hate the cops. There is a bomb in my pants. This subway is a great target for my penis bomb. Come at me CIA.

In all seriousnes, I would be fairly certain that the CIA had reason to order his arrest. Any number of unarrested people have said raucus things so I'm gonna throw out there that he probably was doing whatever they said. Mistakes would be devastating to the CIA's integritiy so I highly doubt that they would risk a slip up.

Note: I used the CIA because I don't know what agency this involves but I'd assume FBI/CIA

Do please read my previous entry, in short he was already ordered let go. :fyi:
 
His FB post sounds almost inspiring, if it wasn't a stereotypical right wing libertarian rant.

I check his FB page. I don't see the long rant anywhere, nor do I see any threatening posts. Were they removed perhaps?

Also he made a post 13 hours ago where he thanks the support of his friends and family. Either he's been released from government detention, or someone is posting on his behalf while he remains incarcerated.
 
So before you preach about human rights, freedom and democracy to the rest of the world put your own house in order first.
 
So before you preach about human rights, freedom and democracy to the rest of the world put your own house in order first.

Sure, no problem, know any place we can send around 100 million neo-socialist? Maybe China wouldn't notice an extra 100 million or so and then all the neo-socialist can have what they want and will leave the rest of us alone. If they were logical and had any sence, they would already move somplace that has all of what they are asking our government to give them. But then again, if the were logical and had any sense, they wouldn't be neo-socialist.

Interesting, they want to change the US to be more like these other countries, which they apparently think is the better way to do business but don't want to go there because they think the US is better and never stop to realize that maybe the reason the US is better is because we do not do business the same way as those other countries who's ways they want to adopt.
 
Sure, no problem, know any place we can send around 100 million neo-socialist? Maybe China wouldn't notice an extra 100 million or so and then all the neo-socialist can have what they want and will leave the rest of us alone. If they were logical and had any sence, they would already move somplace that has all of what they are asking our government to give them. But then again, if the were logical and had any sense, they wouldn't be neo-socialist.

Interesting, they want to change the US to be more like these other countries, which they apparently think is the better way to do business but don't want to go there because they think the US is better and never stop to realize that maybe the reason the US is better is because we do not do business the same way as those other countries who's ways they want to adopt.

I think we should ship off the neoconservatives with them and just clone TJefferson and AJackson over and over again and throw in a few Eisenhowers, LBJs (because he was a good guy), and Reagans.
 
Except that the Supreme Court is just that: The Supreme Court. Their interpretation of the Constitution is law. A warrant was never necessary for taking a person to medical facility, because it isn't incarceration.

Your reliance on Anthony is misplaced. The case dealt with qualified immunity, not the fourth amendment.
 
Your reliance on Anthony is misplaced. The case dealt with qualified immunity, not the fourth amendment.

You must be looking at a different case, because Anthony v The City of New York (8 Aug 2003) concerns Myra Anthony (a 34 old woman with down syndrome) who was taken to Kings County Hospital for psychiatric evaluation after an emergency call was placed. When the police could not contact Myra Anthony's legal guardian, they took her to a hospital for evaluation. The case against the City of New York challenged the validity of the officer's actions, in that it was believed that it violated her Forth Amendment rights. The Supreme Court upheld the decisions of the New York City Police.
 
Sure, no problem, know any place we can send around 100 million neo-socialist? Maybe China wouldn't notice an extra 100 million or so and then all the neo-socialist can have what they want and will leave the rest of us alone. If they were logical and had any sence, they would already move somplace that has all of what they are asking our government to give them. But then again, if the were logical and had any sense, they wouldn't be neo-socialist.

Interesting, they want to change the US to be more like these other countries, which they apparently think is the better way to do business but don't want to go there because they think the US is better and never stop to realize that maybe the reason the US is better is because we do not do business the same way as those other countries who's ways they want to adopt.

Why suddenly China cropped up here. Just relax man, they are some 20 years behind USA.
 
You must be looking at a different case, because Anthony v The City of New York (8 Aug 2003) concerns Myra Anthony (a 34 old woman with down syndrome) who was taken to Kings County Hospital for psychiatric evaluation after an emergency call was placed. When the police could not contact Myra Anthony's legal guardian, they took her to a hospital for evaluation. The case against the City of New York challenged the validity of the officer's actions, in that it was believed that it violated her Forth Amendment rights.
Nope, I've got the right one:
we find it unnecessary to decide whether the warrantless seizure was a Fourth Amendment violation because the officers involved are entitled to qualified immunity. Nor can Anthony recover on her § 1983 claims against the City of New York and the officers in their official capacities, because there is no evidence that the warrantless seizure (assuming it was unconstitutional) was conducted pursuant to an official governmental policy or custom.
Nothing was decided on fourth amendment grounds.

The Supreme Court upheld the decisions of the New York City Police.
The Second Circuit found the officers were entitled to qualified immunity.

Not the same thing.
 
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