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This has already become an conspiracy theory nut job story. When 9/11 Truth Becomes a Criminal Offense: Marine Vet Arrested for 9/11 Facebook Posts

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Perhaps the conspiracy theories forum is a better place for this topic?
 
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I disagree with the Obama slam on the video because Romney is all for this kind of thing and do we really need to recount Bush's record. In case you haven't figured it out the danger to America isn't the guy without a shirt it's the guys "just doing their job". It would be nice to live in country where this didn't happen and if it did we could bring charges on everyone involved in this kidnapping including the guys "just doing their job".


There is a lot more to this story. This guy has been in the news recently as well. He got busted I think for making political statements while in uniform: and rightfully so. I'd like to gewt the back story on this incident in the OP video.
 
There is a lot more to this story. This guy has been in the news recently as well. He got busted I think for making political statements while in uniform: and rightfully so. I'd like to gewt the back story on this incident in the OP video.

That won't happen because it's pure propaganda. Similar events have happened in the past, but lo and behold, the one that gets the media attention is a Marine. One of America's more "touchy" topics. If you criticize a Marine, you hate America, so in this case, if you question this snuff piece, you're easily made out to be a "lying god-hating, baby killing, liberal-commie-pinko-anti-American that wants to see the terrorists win".
 
"....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.
Guess we need precrime police out there to catch criminals before they even do anything, huh?
 
"....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.

Yes, they should wait till he does something, or at least starts gathering parts. Until that point, he's just running is mouth. One should be free to advocate for the overthrow of the American government.
 
Yes, they should wait till he does something, or at least starts gathering parts. Until that point, he's just running is mouth. One should be free to advocate for the overthrow of the American government.
I guess would depend on what he meant by "kickstart."
 
Ask who? The guy they were wrestling to the ground?
I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other....come to think of it.....neither do you.
 
I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other....come to think of it.....neither do you.
Neither of us understand the situation. The difference between you and me is all I'm asking questions while you're applauding these cops for a job well done, and asking for more.

So it's really about attitude isn't it? Does a person have a libertarian attitude like me or an authoritarian attitude like you.
 
Ask who? The guy they were wrestling to the ground?
That's another thing that bothers me about this. People are usually wrestled to the ground by cops when they resist being arrested, or try to flee. Every time I'm arrested, I just turn around and let then put the cuffs on, guide me to the back of the car, and book me without incident. No point in fighting the cops, fight the case in court.
 
That's another thing that bothers me about this. People are usually wrestled to the ground by cops when they resist being arrested, or try to flee. Every time I'm arrested, I just turn around and let then put the cuffs on, guide me to the back of the car, and book me without incident. No point in fighting the cops, fight the case in court.
Too true, too true.
 
Neither of us understand the situation. The difference between you and me is all I'm asking questions while you're applauding these cops for a job well done, and asking for more.

So it's really about attitude isn't it? Does a person have a libertarian attitude like me or an authoritarian attitude like you.
Well, I have decided I don't want to die for someone elses beliefs and so if apprehending someone who is armed to the teeth and threatening to kickstart a revolution, just so the authorities can ask him a few questions about his real intentions or evaluate his sanity, then I really don't have a problem with it. Now if he had been held without due process or disappeared without a trial into some foreign prison then I would have a problem with it. But they must found him sane and a judge ordered his release so imo the system is working and I consider this issue a non sequitur.
 
Well, I have decided I don't want to die for someone elses beliefs and so if apprehending someone who is armed to the teeth and threatening to kickstart a revolution, just so the authorities can ask him a few questions about his real intentions or evaluate his sanity, then I really don't have a problem with it. Now if he had been held without due process or disappeared without a trial into some foreign prison then I would have a problem with it. But they must found him sane and a judge ordered his release so imo the system is working and I consider this issue a non sequitur.

You are using the term "non sequitur" incorrectly.
 
Yes, they should wait till he does something, or at least starts gathering parts. Until that point, he's just running is mouth. One should be free to advocate for the overthrow of the American government.
Advocating to over throw the government against the will of the majority of the population is probably not a good idea. We are a nation of laws, not anarchy. Get used to it.
 
Advocating to over throw the government against the will of the majority of the population is probably not a good idea. We are a nation of laws, not anarchy. Get used to it.

Doesn't matter if it's a "good idea" or not, we're a nation of freedom, not fascism. Get used to it. Speaking out against the government, even advocating its downfall was not illegal till around the 50's.
 
Advocating to over throw the government against the will of the majority of the population is probably not a good idea. We are a nation of laws, not anarchy. Get used to it.

I disagree, advocating the overthrow of an unjust and unconstitutional government, even if voted in by popular vote, is a very good idea. Just don't expect it to make you popular with the immoral corrupt unconstitional idiots in that government. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, but when the sitting government ignores those laws and acts against them, takes unjust actions against it's people or oversteps the bounds of legitimate government, then overthrowing that government by any means is not Anarchy but the re-establishment of order.
 
I disagree, advocating the overthrow of an unjust and unconstitutional government, even if voted in by popular vote, is a very good idea. Just don't expect it to make you popular with the immoral corrupt unconstitional idiots in that government. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, but when the sitting government ignores those laws and acts against them, takes unjust actions against it's people or oversteps the bounds of legitimate government, then overthrowing that government by any means is not Anarchy but the re-establishment of order.
One man's notion of unconstitutional is another man's notion of constitutional. Fight it out in the courts, thats what they're for.
 
One man's notion of unconstitutional is another man's notion of constitutional. Fight it out in the courts, thats what they're for.

Is that honestly your answer? What is with this pathetic argument as of late?
 
One man's notion of unconstitutional is another man's notion of constitutional. Fight it out in the courts, thats what they're for.

Nope, I chose to overthrow the existing government, good thing for me I will be given the chance to do so in a little over 2 months. See, I can revolt against the government, even do it legally and with the govenments concent.

Come on, do you really think anyone other than a total moron is going to try to start a violent revolution this close to an election? Is he making plans for later, maybe. If all other means such as courts, elections, etc fail, then who knows, I might just support him. But due to my physical condition, support is basically sitting on the sidelines and rooting for who I want to win.

By the way, where would the US be today if the founding fathers took your attitude?
 
Is that honestly your answer? What is with this pathetic argument as of late?

Well, with the courts in the shape they are in these days, can you blame people for giving up on the idea of judicial integrity? "Constitutional" depends on whether the judge has an R or a D next to his name.
 
Well, with the courts in the shape they are in these days, can you blame people for giving up on the idea of judicial integrity? "Constitutional" depends on whether the judge has an R or a D next to his name.

Yep, integrity in the justice system or even the government is about as common today as reality and common sense at a socialist convention or the existance of Unicorn ranches.
 
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