If you analyse it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. -Ronald Reagan
I am also known as "vauge".
I view it as saving hers and if the ZEF is impacted by that then unfortunately so be it.
If i was a woman
I personally would NEVER leave it up to the doctors, ever. Who knows what their beliefs are and that could cloud their judgment.
They give me the info and i decide, never them.
I personally wouldnt consult my church as I wouldn't struggle with the decision in that fashion at all but I would see how one may take this path in other circumstances.
I personally wouldn't consult my family (not the father) but only because I know my decision would be for the chemo (unless my survival was basically nil and the ZEF was great.
I would consult the father but is opinion would only be listened to and valued and I may very well decided differently.
would never leave it up to the do.
I also agree theres no moral answer here but thats because I dont think this is to be judged in that fashion, my morals, your morals, hers morals could all be different.
Good talk though!
In the US, I don't think this could have happened even if personhood was granted at conception. We allow killing in self defense. This would fit the bill.
It's definitely a sad story. Although, if she died that quickly, I doubt chemo would have helped much.
If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.
If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
If anything, this is more an illustration of how absurd government can be. It shouldn't take 20 days to determine whether it is better to save the mother or let both die. Everyone knows the answer but nobody is qualified to make the decision.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
that's so sad it makes me sick.
#1) a 16 year old was pregnant to begin with.
#2) she suffered from cancer
#3) she was denied care because they favored the child more than her
#4) she died because of it
How ****ing tragic is that - that's just horrible on so many levels. One thing after the other
A screaming comes across the sky.
It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow
I dont know Id tend to agree, I know there is at least one here maybe two but in general the number is probably low
but the point is this is what can happen if you give womans rights away, one has to have more rights and this is a perfect example.
now this is just food for thought but how fast would this scenario change is numbers were involved?
no meds womans changes of living 0% and ZEFs 0%
no meds womans changes of living 0% and ZEFs 100% (mom will live at least a year and ZEF will survive)
no meds womans changes of living 50% and ZEFs 0%
no meds womans changes of living 50% and ZEFs 100%
with meds womans changes of living 100% and ZEFs 0%
with meds womans changes of living 100% and ZEFs 50%
I think these matter to a lot of people but I could be wrong.
to me they are just almost always meaningless I always want it to be the womans choice