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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Stress might affect ovulation, but where is the evidence that it affect conception? Conception can only take place after ovulation has occurred, so if a women happens to be raped while she's going through ovulation, and the sperm get to the egg, fertilization will occur, and it's still very much a "legitimate rape".
    Right here.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060814702

    Extreme stress reduces the chances of not only conception, but also viable pregnancy. Early miscarriage is very common even under the best of circumstances. It is not as though birth is inevitable whenever conception occurs. It is actually more likely it will be expelled. And even more so when under extreme stress.

    Some women who are raped will still become pregnant and maintain the pregnancy. But it is less likely. If they do, it does not make their rape any less "legitimate." But it is scientifically true that it is less likely.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Anyone who has tried to get pregnant can tell you that it can take months sometimes. A lot of sex can occur over the course of months. A lot. But only one of those times will result in pregnancy. So pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare"--w/e percentage 1 is of the total umber of times the couple has sex over the course of months while trying to have a baby.
    Pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare".

    So what're the stats?
    How much more "rare" is it to conceive via consensual sex, or non-"legitimate rape", vs "legitimate rape"?
    Is it more "rare"?

    Are there any stats?
    Or are there only FOAF stories?
    For a healthy couple, your chances of getting pregnant in any one month is 25-30%, but it's also about timing. While sperm can stay in a women for up to 7 days, the egg can only survive for up to 36 hours after being released. If a women happens to be raped just when her body is ready to released the egg (which is induced by FSH) or it has been released, then the chances of her egg being fertilized by the sperm is the same whether it was consensual or not.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    For a healthy couple, your chances of getting pregnant in any one month is 25-30%, but it's also about timing. While sperm can stay in a women for up to 7 days, the egg can only survive for up to 36 hours after being released. If a women happens to be raped just when her body is ready to released the egg (which is induced by FSH) or it has been released, then the chances of her egg being fertilized by the sperm is the same whether it was consensual or not.
    That is not true. See above.

    Rape triggers a stress response which is shown to lower the chances of regular ovulation, conception, and viable pregnancy.

    I feel like it's insane I have to disclaim this, but given how people have responded thus far, I will: I am not defending the anti-choicer in the OP. I am defending scientific accuracy. It does not matter to me if the chances are lower. Women who are raped deserve access to abortion. Any woman deserves access to abortion. However, I will not abandon accuracy to make that point. I don't have to.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Akin's argument sounds a whole lot like, "In a dress like that, she was asking for it." He's essentially saying that if the woman's body doesn't reject her rapist's seed, it wasn't really rape because her body knew that she wanted it and responded accordingly.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Its morons like this that give us Pro-Lifers a bad name:


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The argument he should have used is that abortion isn't necessary if one is raped since there's a morning-after pill.
    Is he in favor of that though? I'd be shocked if he was.


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Is he in favor of that though? I'd be shocked if he was.
    So would I. Usually, the pro life extremists think that the morning after pill is an "abortion pill."
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    From the link in the OP:

    So, since according to him, pregnancy from a rape is rare, a woman should not be allowed to get an abortion in those rare cases.
    Meaning, he wants the government to force a woman to carry a zygote to term regardless of the circumstances.

    and he's a six term Congressman. Who keeps electing these guys?
    The idiots in the suburbs around St. Louis!

    I've got a friend there and sometimes I fear for his political well-being. Like any of us he can be influenced by his neighbors - and in his case his neighbors are, well, not the sharpest knives in the drawer as far as their convictions go.

    They and their ilk recently helped push through an amendment to the Missouri Constitution that allows parents to let their kids skip Evolution in school. *sigh* Well, at least it's not as bad as Kansas, they downright outlawed teaching Evolution a few years ago.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So eveyone in the south and all Tea Party members are .....what? Are you sure it's not 99.9999 percent?
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Missouri isn't exactly "The South". Even our secession during the Civil War is questionable, if you believe it at all. There's still no excuse for this GOP moron or his actions. Sadly, the St. Louis suburbs are full of these kind of people. The funny thing about that is St. Louis was always Union territory. LOL!
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