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    Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy

    Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy


    First, he wants to make an distinction between 'legitimate rape' cases and all those other cases where the women was apparently asking for it.

    “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in a clip posted to YouTube by the Democratic super PAC American Bridge. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”Akin added: “But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
    What child? The morning after pill doesn't 'attack a child'. The anti-women movement has pushed the concept of viable fetus back to conception. And conception via a violent crime.

    In many states, the Tea Party, (you know, fiscal conservatives), have been passing these end-run laws around Roe v Wade -- interjecting big government into the doctor's office, privacy be damned.

    This is the new tea party's idea of small government:


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well... he's scientifically correct. It is indeed true that the female body is drastically less likely to conceive from a rape, or while any other severe stressors are going on.

    But how the hell does that answer the question? The question was not "how common is pregnancy resulting from rape?" The question was "would you deny a woman who's been rape access to abortion?"

    I suppose he did, in a round-about way, which was "yes." We should force women to get raped all over again by carrying an unwanted fetus to term so they can reminded of their rape for the rest of their lives. Wonderful.

    What a sick individual.
    He claimed women can voluntarily "shut down" the process of pro creation. I hope all the contraceptive companies don't find out about that "science."
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    Re: Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy

    Given that this is just the latest right wing GOP'er who has an abysmal knowledge of female reproductive functions, you gotta wonder how those folks every are able to replace themselves on the planet?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Anyone who has tried to get pregnant can tell you that it can take months sometimes. A lot of sex can occur over the course of months. A lot. But only one of those times will result in pregnancy. So pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare"--w/e percentage 1 is of the total umber of times the couple has sex over the course of months while trying to have a baby.
    Pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare".

    So what're the stats?
    How much more "rare" is it to conceive via consensual sex, or non-"legitimate rape", vs "legitimate rape"?
    Is it more "rare"?

    Are there any stats?
    Or are there only FOAF stories?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well... he's scientifically correct. It is indeed true that the female body is drastically less likely to conceive from a rape, or while any other severe stressors are going on.
    What does "drastically" mean in this instance?
    Is there any quantification available?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy

    Heheh already a few threads on this... merger time!

    But yea, this guy is an idiot and took a good chance of a GOP pickup I believe in the Senate and turned it into a sure loss.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    He claimed women can voluntarily "shut down" the process of pro creation. I hope all the contraceptive companies don't find out about that "science."
    No, he didn't. You (legitimately) disliking the way he handled this question does not justify you being dishonest and disingenuous yourself.

    He said the female body has a way of making pregnancy less likely when subjected to rape. That is true. In fact, it is not just rape. It is all severe stressors. I've posted evidence to that affect. This is a well known phenomena.

    It's also sort of obvious. Doesn't it just seem like a good idea evolutionarily for the reproductive organs to close shop when severe stress is going on?

    There were no claims that it's 100% effective. And there were no claims it was voluntary. You are being disingenuous.

    However, as I said, this does not address the question he was asked, which was whether he would support access to abortion for survivors of rape. His attempts to dodge that question (and ultimately answering it with a "no") are the real story here. They are the real offense to be taken.

    You don't need to make things up, either about me or this guy, in order to have a contention with him. If you feel you do, then you don't have a very good argument, which is frankly hard to understand, since the argument here is so obvious.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, he didn't. You (legitimately) disliking the way he handled this question does not justify you being dishonest and disingenuous yourself.

    He said the female body has a way of making pregnancy less likely when subjected to rape. That is true. In fact, it is not just rape. It is all severe stressors. I've posted evidence to that affect. This is a well known phenomena.

    It's also sort of obvious. Doesn't it just seem like a good idea evolutionarily for the reproductive organs to close shop when severe stress is going on?

    There were no claims that it's 100% effective. And there were no claims it was voluntary. You are being disingenuous.

    However, as I said, this does not address the question he was asked, which was whether he would support access to abortion for survivors of rape. His attempts to dodge that question (and ultimately answering it with a "no") are the real story here. They are the real offense to be taken.

    You don't need to make things up, either about me or this guy, in order to have a contention with him. If you feel you do, then you don't have a very good argument, which is frankly hard to understand, since the argument here is so obvious.
    Let's look at what he said:

    "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
    He is saying the female body can react specifically to being raped and will try to shut down procreation.

    You are saying stress of any kind can hinder procreation.

    Those are two very different claims.

    What he said was sick and implied rape victims who get pregnant are partially responsible for that pregnancy because their bodies failed to properly react to a "legitimate rape."

    What do you think he meant by "legitimate rape?"
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    Re: Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate: ‘Legitimate rape’ rarely causes pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Given that this is just the latest right wing GOP'er who has an abysmal knowledge of female reproductive functions, you gotta wonder how those folks every are able to replace themselves on the planet?
    Maybe his parents never had "the talk" with him...


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Let's look at what he said:

    "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
    He is saying the female body can react specifically to being raped and will try to shut down procreation.

    You are saying stress of any kind can hinder procreation.

    Those are two very different claims.

    What he said was sick and implied rape victims who get pregnant are partially responsible for that pregnancy because their bodies failed to properly react to a "legitimate rape."

    What do you think he meant by "legitimate rape?"
    And yet, his statement is accurate. It was probably spoon-fed to him as a generic way of trying to avoid questions about abortion, therefore he only understands it in the context of rape. It applies to more than just rape, but it is none the less true that it applies to rape as well.

    His statement included words like "try" and "rare," both of which imply this mechanism is imperfect (which is true). I have no idea what the hell "legitimate rape" is supposed to mean, but none of that is the point.

    Countering dishonest, slimy people with dishonest, slimy debate tactics does not make you the better person.

    It is completely possible to attack his argument while sticking to the issue. You do not need to get mired in hack politics to do so.

    What I would like to know is why he thinks women who've been raped should be forced through pregnancy. I would like to know why he doesn't believe women are even human enough to have bodily integrity. Everything else is immaterial.

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