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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Well... he's scientifically correct. It is indeed true that the female body is drastically less likely to conceive from a rape, or while any other severe stressors are going on.

    But how the hell does that answer the question? The question was not "how common is pregnancy resulting from rape?" The question was "would you deny a woman who's been rape access to abortion?"

    I suppose he did, in a round-about way, which was "yes." We should force women to get raped all over again by carrying an unwanted fetus to term so they can reminded of their rape for the rest of their lives. Wonderful.

    What a sick individual.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a stupid argument politically. But I recall back in the good old days when I worked at PP and spent every saturday morning for a couple years arguing with the RIght to Lifers and the Operation Rescue bible thumpers-this issue would come up constantly and I finally talked to a top OB/GYN and She noted that violent rape is far less likely to cause pregnancy than consensual sex. Now that was almost 40 years ago and I have no clue if that is still something she would say-she died about 20 years ago
    Her death was likely due to a republican strategist who relied on her ideas and was afraid she was going to recant them.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    Her death was likely due to a republican strategist who relied on her ideas and was afraid she was going to recant them.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't care one way or another. I think a woman has a right to an abortion. however, I am not as pro feminist as one might think. I think if a couple engage in activities that are not intended to cause pregnancy yet the woman gets pregnant, and the male offers to pay for an abortion, and the female won't accept that, he should be off the hook for paternity payments
    I consider myself a feminist, and I'll do you one better. The man should never be under a legal obligation to provide financially for what a woman does with her pregnancy, unless he signs a contract to the contrary. She has absolute control over the pregnancy. This means that, ethically, the man must either willing help, or be freed from responsibility to float the woman's decision. If she has complete control, she has complete responsibility, in the absence of a consensus between two partners.

    If we are to argue women are equal beings to men, then they must also be equally responsible for their own decisions.

    Personally? I tell all my partners before we ever have sex that if something goes wrong, I would abort, and I will not expect a dime. It provides them the chance to walk away then and there, before there is ever any risk of that happening. If they accept, they have no burden to pay for it. I did not ask for their opinion, so I won't permit them to help float mine. I would not feel comfortable with that.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a stupid argument politically. But I recall back in the good old days when I worked at PP and spent every saturday morning for a couple years arguing with the RIght to Lifers and the Operation Rescue bible thumpers-this issue would come up constantly and I finally talked to a top OB/GYN and She noted that violent rape is far less likely to cause pregnancy than consensual sex. Now that was almost 40 years ago and I have no clue if that is still something she would say-she died about 20 years ago
    Actually, now that I've thought it through, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. When one is being raped, I'd imagine the female body is filled to the very brim with adrenalin. Adrenalin is a very powerful hormone. In order for a woman to get pregnant, her hormones have to be "somewhere near just right." Adrenalin could very well interfere with that.

    Admittedly, an anti-abortionist, but a doctor nonetheless says:

    In cases of rape, the rate of pregnancy is actually very rare. This is due to several factors which may affect conception. The victim is in immense emotional shock and her body in turn is affected. Statistics show that the rate of miscarriage is higher in these circumstances. A major factor contributing to the rare occurrence of conception in cases of rape is psychological trauma. Stress has been known to alter bodily functions, the menstrual cycle included. And in order for a woman to conceive a complex blend of hormones must be formed. The production of these certain hormones is easily affected by emotions, in which of course the rape itself factors in greatly. Hence, the chances of actual conception—ovulation, fertilization, implantation—for the rape victim are considerably lowered.
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    I most certainly don't agree with his stance, but my common sense tells me that what he said about pregnancy in rape situations may possibly be true. I doubt there've been studies. But I do know we're little chemical factories...and our chemistry has to be within certain normal parameters to get preggers.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well... he's scientifically correct. It is indeed true that the female body is drastically less likely to conceive from a rape, or while any other severe stressors are going on.

    But how the hell does that answer the question? The question was not "how common is pregnancy resulting from rape?" The question was "would you deny a woman who's been rape access to abortion?"

    I suppose he did, in a round-about way, which was "no." We should force women to get raped all over again by carrying an unwanted fetus to term so they can reminded of their rape for the rest of their lives. Wonderful.

    What a sick individual.
    I cannot find a clear cut document, but I found this from a quick look: Health Directorate - Rape Related Pregnancy

    How likely is it to fall pregnant after being raped?

    It is difficult to determine how many pregnancies occur as a result of rape. A large study in America found that 5% of rapes resulted in a pregnancy. The majority of these pregnancies were in young women who had been raped by a known and often related person.
    I would love to see some real documentation however.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I consider myself a feminist, and I'll do you one better. The man should never be under a legal obligation to provide financially for what a woman does with her pregnancy, unless he signs a contract to the contrary. She has absolute control over the pregnancy. This means that, ethically, the man must either willing help, or be freed from responsibility to float the woman's decision. If she has complete control, she has complete responsibility, in the absence of a consensus between two partners.

    If we are to argue women are equal beings to men, then they must also be equally responsible for their own decisions.

    Personally? I tell all my partners before we ever have sex that if something goes wrong, I would abort, and I will not expect a dime. It provides them the chance to walk away then and there, before there is ever any risk of that happening. If they accept, they have no burden to pay for it. I did not ask for their opinion, so I won't permit them to help float mine. I would not feel comfortable with that.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I cannot find a clear cut document, but I found this from a quick look: Health Directorate - Rape Related Pregnancy

    I would love to see some real documentation however.
    High stress levels in general reduce the chances of conception or viable pregnancy.

    High Stress Reduces Fertility | Psych Central News
    How Stress Causes Miscarriage

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