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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Lurker View Post
    While I think that his comment was STUPID, it was indeed a gaffe. This gaffe is distorted totally out of proportion. Methinks it's because of his political affiliation. Our dear VP (aka Uncle Joe) has made political gaffe history and the only one that got even the slightest attention (greater than 60 seconds) was his 'F-bomb'. And even that was brushed aside by the MSM.

    Having once lived in Missouri for 3 years (not sure why I put that in but it seemed to enhance my credibility) ... I hope he stays in the race and wins. While I do think that the Republicans should condemn the statement ... I think they should learn from the Dims who refuse to condemn their own and keep on keepin' on.

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    It's the Republicans that think he should drop out of the race, not the Democrats....


    Republicans pull money from Missouri - “National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-Tex.) has informed Rep. Todd Akin that the national GOP will not spend money to help elect him to the Senate in the aftermath of Akin’s controversial comments about "legitimate rape," according to an NRSC aide.”
    Republicans pull money from Missouri


    Crossroads pulls out of Missouri after Akin comments - “The conservative outside-spending powerhouse Crossroads GPS is pulling its ads from the Missouri Senate race, three sources confirmed to POLITICO.”
    Crossroads pulls out of Missouri after Akin comments - POLITICO.com



    Calls to step aside: “Many big-name Republicans have repudiated the comment, and Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.), Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Senate candidate and former congresswoman Heather Wilson (R-N.M.) have called for Akin to drop out of the race.”
    The two ways Todd Akin could withdraw


    Yeah, lets talk about rape and forcing women to have a rapist's baby and the death penalty for having an abortion for the next three months. After all, thats what Ryan believes and because he does thats what Romney believes now too.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    It varies. It's the timing that matters.
    I am aware of that. But the rapist probably isn't working with the victim to figure that kind of stuff out. So to make a more apples to apples comparison...[not that it ever could be]...of people having unprotected sex multiple times...
    But to get some sort of a general ball park figure--even if it's known to include a certain amount of error in a known direction--with which to be able to make the general assessment of the relative likelihood of each sort of sexual intercourse resulting in impregnation.
    The claim isn't a specifically quantified one, it's a vague one--"rare" is the term iirc. So we can get an idea of whether or not it's likely that there's some great difference possible in the numbers even if we don't have good idea of what the numbers might actually be.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What a fool!!!!!

    Are you SURE he's not a Democrat?

    Oh hes much much worse than a democrat maggie...hes a TEATARD lol

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    He should stand his ground.

    Republicans should not let the pro-choice liberals influence who their candidates are.
    Those that want him to drop out are not influenced by liberals. They would never have voted for him. Republican leaders are worried about moderate republicans who won't vote for him now.

    Liberals would rather he stay in the race because if he steps down now he can be replaced. Right now the race became much easier for his opponent, but not if he is replaced.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am aware of that. But the rapist probably isn't working with the victim to figure that kind of stuff out. So to make a more apples to apples comparison...[not that it ever could be]...of people having unprotected sex multiple times...
    But to get some sort of a general ball park figure--even if it's known to include a certain amount of error in a known direction--with which to be able to make the general assessment of the relative likelihood of each sort of sexual intercourse resulting in impregnation.
    The claim isn't a specifically quantified one, it's a vague one--"rare" is the term iirc. So we can get an idea of whether or not it's likely that there's some great difference possible in the numbers even if we don't have good idea of what the numbers might actually be.
    It's more accurate to compare rape to single encounter where either party might not be using birth control like this ( another poster provided the same numbers previously):

    To find out, he and his wife Tiffany Gottschall examined the results of National Violence against Women Survey, a study by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The women studied were phoned at random and interviewed about their experiences. The Gottschalls focused on 405 women who had suffered a single incidence of penile-vaginal rape at some point between the ages of 12 and 45. Of these, 6.4 per cent became pregnant. But that figure jumped to nearly 8 per cent when the researchers allowed for the women who'd been using birth control-US government statistics show that 1 in 5 of the women in the sample were likely to have been using the pill or an IUD.

    To complete the comparison, the Gottschalls needed to know how many women in that age group get pregnant from one-night stands and other one-off acts of consensual sex. The answer-reported this year in a separate study by Allen Wilcox, head of the epidemiology branch of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences-was a mere 3.1 per cent. "It was surprising to see this margin of difference," says Jon Gottschall.

    Rape - an evolutionary strategy?

    This one is a good read: Here is Some Legitimate Science on Pregnancy and Rape | Context and Variation, Scientific American Blog Network
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    He should stand his ground.
    Even Sean Hannity was trying to get him to withdraw from the race -- he'll bring the GOP down.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Even Sean Hannity was trying to get him to withdraw from the race -- he'll bring the GOP down.
    He's staying in the race until he gets a big fat check from GOP HQ to drop out.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    I am vehemently, sometimes even furiously, pro-choice and particularly in regards to sexual assault. "Pro-choice" means the woman's choice.

    HOWEVER, people going berserk over his statement is just more political correctness crap. It was NO SECRET that he opposed abortion in the event of rape - so there is no real shocker in his statement OTHER THAN his attempting to trivialize rape-pregnancies - that DO happen. OFTEN. Whether this is statistically the same, higher or lower than consentual sex is an irrelevancy in my opinion.

    I do NOT have a problem with his usage of "legitimate rape" - though not the best choice, but he likely meant he was not including statutory rape (consentual sex but the female is underage).

    I AM TIRED OF THE EXTREME DEMANDS FOR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!! I intensely disagree with his view on abortion, but then that was all known BEFORE his statement. There were NO surprises about him in what he said. He was a no exceptions anti-abortion before his statement.

    IF I were him I wouldn't drop out. He'll never have another political chance in his life and Missouri is an odd state where in at some point voters might get tired of the rabid raging against him. He has no other game left to play politically. This election is the only game he still has to ever play.

    The EXTREME demand for correctness and perfect or the media does its OMG!!!!! thing - is resulting in politicians who will ONLY talk to a teleprompter with speeches written by professionals and just chanting pre-written talking points developed by using study groups.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yeah, lets talk about rape and forcing women to have a rapist's baby and the death penalty for having an abortion for the next three months. After all, thats what Ryan believes and because he does thats what Romney believes now too.
    Hmmm ... the death penalty? Help me out and show me where you got this about Romney and Ryan wanting the death penalty. Somehow I've missed that.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    He's staying in the race until he gets a big fat check from GOP HQ to drop out.
    Are they negotiating his payoff as we speak?

    I wouldn't doubt it.

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