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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    He should stand his ground.
    Well on that we agree. There are two ways to get the GOP back to being a rational part of this nation's political discourse. Either they can reverse course and start drifting back towards sanity, or they can become so absurd that they are unelectable and are forced to rethink things. At this point, we're close to the "hit rock bottom" end of the spectrum than the return to sanity end, so anything that results in crazier and stupider candidates in the GOP takes us one step closer to the day when they are a serious party again.

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    Republicans should not let the pro-choice liberals influence who their candidates are.
    Or anti-rape liberals for that matter?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    He should stand his ground.

    Republicans should not let the pro-choice liberals influence who their candidates are.
    It's not just the pro-choice liberals who are calling for him to drop out its pretty much everyone. And it's not like Sarah Steelman and John Brunner, the two likeliest candidates to replace him if he withdraws, aren't pro-life. It's really better for the GOP and conservativism in general if he drops out.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    It's not just the pro-choice liberals who are calling for him to drop out its pretty much everyone. And it's not like Sarah Steelman and John Brunner, the two likeliest candidates to replace him if he withdraws, aren't pro-life. It's really better for the GOP and conservativism in general if he drops out.
    Based on what I just saw, I predict that Akin will stay in the race, and he will probably still win too.

    The Democratic Party just commissioned PPP to do a flash poll on the Missouri Senate race. Before Akin's commments, he was leading McCaskill 45-44. Tonight he leads 44-43. Nothing has changed, the reason being that, as much as some Republicans hate what Akin said, they hate McCaskill so much that they are not allowing Akin's gaffe to change their minds, and they know it's a gaffe too. Republicans who supported McCaskill went from 8% to 10%, which when accounting for the margin of error in the poll, is statistically nothing. Interestingly, independent numbers stayed exactly the same too. This is not like George Allen's macaca moment in Virginia. In Virginia, many voters liked the alternative. They don't in Missouri. I am still calling this race for the GOP.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That is not quite right. He said the female body can "try" to shut down procreation in response to rape, and that conception is thus "rare." That is true.

    It is not a response specifically to rape, and in that sense it would be false. I suspect he doesn't fully understand the mechanism he's talking about (like I said, it was probably fed to him by some advisor). But the statement that conception from rape is less likely because the female body will lower its fertility is correct.

    You're fighting dishonesty with dishonesty.
    So shouldn't the question be what is a "legitmate" rape? Does incest where the victim might trust the rapist, or giving in instead of fighting to the death qualify as a legitimate rape?

    Are we to let a politician redefine what rape is because a woman can't get pregnant from a "legitimate" rape?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Based on what I just saw, I predict that Akin will stay in the race, and he will probably still win too.

    The Democratic Party just commissioned PPP to do a flash poll on the Missouri Senate race. Before Akin's commments, he was leading McCaskill 45-44. Tonight he leads 44-43. Nothing has changed, the reason being that, as much as some Republicans hate what Akin said, they hate McCaskill so much that they are not allowing Akin's gaffe to change their minds, and they know it's a gaffe too. Republicans who supported McCaskill went from 8% to 10%, which when accounting for the margin of error in the poll, is statistically nothing. Interestingly, independent numbers stayed exactly the same too. This is not like George Allen's macaca moment in Virginia. In Virginia, many voters liked the alternative. They don't in Missouri. I am still calling this race for the GOP.
    Yeah I just saw that and it surprised me. I wouldn't say that Akin still has a huge advantage here, but McCaskill is certainly very unpopular. If Akin does stay in though, and the RNC, Crossroads GPS, and American Crossroads all continue their policies of not advertising in Missouri, I could see it going the other way though. With almost no funding it'll be hard to stay afloat even against such an unpopular incumbent.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    He should stand his ground.

    Republicans should not let the pro-choice liberals influence who their candidates are.

    Hell yeah. I say keep him in there. He is the face of the Republican Party. I don't know why Romney didn't pick him for the VP position.


    Am still uncertain about the "legitimate rape" though. I wonder if Akin got raped by an escaped male prisoner would that be "legitimate rape" or just a friendly rape?

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    What could he possibly have meant when he said:

    '...the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.?

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What could he possibly have meant when he said:

    '...the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So shouldn't the question be what is a "legitmate" rape? Does incest where the victim might trust the rapist, or giving in instead of fighting to the death qualify as a legitimate rape?

    Are we to let a politician redefine what rape is because a woman can't get pregnant from a "legitimate" rape?
    There are multiple questions, here. It would be very difficult to have any sort of productive discussion about all of them at once. So I'm choosing to focus on the question that was asked, and its follow up: Why does he believe in forced pregnancy and punishing rape survivors by denying them bodily integrity?

    The "what the hell is 'legitimate' rape" is another question, and a very good one. He is probably another rapist apologist who believes in some variant of "she was asking for it because she's a whore," if I had a guess. And believe me, I could go off on that for ages.

    But one of the things that is wrong with the public dialogue is that it lacks focus and is easily derailed. And that's what politicians like this count on. A confused and incomprehensible discourse that's been driven off the rails to buy them time to run for cover. This particular guy has a history of going for shock value whenever he doesn't want to talk about something, as someone posted earlier.

    I'm sticking to the question in an attempt to not be part of that, even though there are multiple issues in play here. We know more about his stance on abortion than we do on rape (though it's not hard to guess what it is), and so I'm focusing on it.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    While I think that his comment was STUPID, it was indeed a gaffe. This gaffe is distorted totally out of proportion. Methinks it's because of his political affiliation. Our dear VP (aka Uncle Joe) has made political gaffe history and the only one that got even the slightest attention (greater than 60 seconds) was his 'F-bomb'. And even that was brushed aside by the MSM.

    Having once lived in Missouri for 3 years (not sure why I put that in but it seemed to enhance my credibility) ... I hope he stays in the race and wins. While I do think that the Republicans should condemn the statement ... I think they should learn from the Dims who refuse to condemn their own and keep on keepin' on.

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