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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Anyone who has tried to get pregnant can tell you that it can take months sometimes. A lot of sex can occur over the course of months. A lot. But only one of those times will result in pregnancy. So pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare"--w/e percentage 1 is of the total umber of times the couple has sex over the course of months while trying to have a baby.
    Pregnancy from consensual sex is "rare".

    So what're the stats?
    How much more "rare" is it to conceive via consensual sex, or non-"legitimate rape", vs "legitimate rape"?
    Is it more "rare"?

    Are there any stats?
    Or are there only FOAF stories?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What does "drastically" mean in this instance?
    Is there any quantification available?
    See my posts above.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    And yet, his statement is accurate. It was probably spoon-fed to him as a generic way of trying to avoid questions about abortion, therefore he only understands it in the context of rape. It applies to more than just rape, but it is none the less true that it applies to rape as well.

    His statement included words like "try" and "rare," both of which imply this mechanism is imperfect (which is true). I have no idea what the hell "legitimate rape" is supposed to mean, but none of that is the point.

    Countering dishonest, slimy people with dishonest, slimy debate tactics does not make you the better person.

    It is completely possible to attack his argument while sticking to the issue. You do not need to get mired in hack politics to do so.

    What I would like to know is why he thinks women who've been raped should be forced through pregnancy. I would like to know why he doesn't believe women are even human enough to have bodily integrity. Everything else is immaterial.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That is not true. See above.

    Rape triggers a stress response which is shown to lower the chances of regular ovulation, conception, and viable pregnancy.

    I feel like it's insane I have to disclaim this, but given how people have responded thus far, I will: I am not defending the anti-choicer in the OP. I am defending scientific accuracy. It does not matter to me if the chances are lower. Women who are raped deserve access to abortion. Any woman deserves access to abortion. However, I will not abandon accuracy to make that point. I don't have to.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    See my posts above.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    liberal arts, fashion merchandizing and women's studies degrees don't count
    I would figure that the women who are more likely to go into the arts and fashion merchandizing than engineering, biology, and anthropology would be conservative, as the latter are fields traditionally acceptable for women, while the latter are not.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only way that stat gets legs is by using "which party carried which state" and comparing that with college degrees in a particular state. Faulty logic. It proves no such thing.
    These stats are based on exit polls. And they are different from earlier stats. It used to be that exit polls showed that more people with high school education or less voted for Dems, more with college education voted for Reps, and more with postgraduate education voted for Dems. But in presidential elections, at least, those with less than postgraduate education changed in proportion, so that a lower proportion of those with high school education or less voted for Dems and a higher proportion of those with college education voted for Reps.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    though obviously stupid. the basic premise that a woman is unlikely to get pregnant from rape is true. it's not like a woman can get pregnant 365 days a year. there is a certain specific "window of opportunity" and unless the rape occurs during this time, she isn't going to get preggers. However, if a woman is raped and get pregnant and she does not want to carry her attacker's child...she should be able to get an abortion no questions asked.
    With all the sex acts that occur, the ones that result in pregnancy must be rare, statistically speaking. However, still possible.


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    A majority of voters with postgraduate and college degrees vote Democratic now. Hadn't you heard?
    How so? If you look at the most recent House vote, people with college degrees voted overwhelmingly for Republicans (58%/42%).

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    The Republicans now have the distinction of garnering the most voters who are the least educated.
    No, that distinction still belongs to Democrats. Voters with less than a high school education voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 (63%) and overwhelmingly for Democrats nationally in both the 2008 (69%) and 2010 (61%) congressional elections.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    I see. You will give the accused rapist the right to be presumed innocent in a court of law, but you will presume the woman guilty of consensual sex. Two different types of presumptions, one for men, one for women. Right? Or perhaps I should ask, far right?
    Guilty of consensual sex?

    Who among us has not been guilty of consensual sex?

    Lying about having been raped is a serious charge. Having consensual sex is not.
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