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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    A majority of voters with postgraduate and college degrees vote Democratic now. Hadn't you heard? The Republicans now have the distinction of garnering the most voters who are the least educated.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I've seen estimates as high at 17% and as low as 3%, in terms of chances of pregnancy from rape. I admit there is a lot of unsettled work to be done in this field, partly because rape survivors don't tend to want to be interviewed.

    I won't deny that your links are in good faith and may very well have good methodology. However, studies in good faith and good methodology have considerable discrepancies. This stuff is hard to track. In order for us to be better able to analyze this, we would need studies published at the same time from the same place, comparing unstressed women, with women under various kinds of stressors, including rape.

    Also, the stress factor continues to have an affect even after pregnancy is established. How many of these women would miscarry? This particular study doesn't say. Rape can be said to be a trigger because it is an extreme stressor.
    It can be theorized that the stress of rape lowers the chance of pregnancy, or sustained pregnancy, but the independent studies of the rate of pregnancies in women who weren't raped and women who were raped would seem to have some greater correlation.

    Akin's interest in the idea of stressors reducing the incidence of rape related pregnancy, is to minimize it in order to remove the rape and incest exceptions to abortion. It's a tenuous correlation at best. IMO.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a stupid argument politically. But I recall back in the good old days when I worked at PP and spent every saturday morning for a couple years arguing with the RIght to Lifers and the Operation Rescue bible thumpers-this issue would come up constantly and I finally talked to a top OB/GYN and She noted that violent rape is far less likely to cause pregnancy than consensual sex. Now that was almost 40 years ago and I have no clue if that is still something she would say-she died about 20 years ago
    Site by an MD that offers the same misinformation as Akin:

    Christian Life Resources

    Article by people with PhDs in medicine that contradicts the misinformation:

    Rape-related pregnancy: estimates and de... [Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI

    Here's another site of misinformation that Akin merely reflects:

    Facts of Life: Chapter 3: Exceptions for Abortion: The Frequency of Rape-Caused Pregnancies

    Here's a quote from this site:

    They [pro-choice researchers] quote figures from rape crisis centers and other pro-abortion organizations that have done unscientific 'surveys' or 'studies' of women who have given reasons for wanting to get abortions. As described elsewhere in this Chapter, the women who obtain abortions for 'rape' are almost always lying. The rape crisis centers take the numbers (that are already inflated from working with rape victims) and apply them to the total female population, thereby obviously greatly skewing the results. (my underline)

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by choiceone View Post
    A majority of voters with postgraduate and college degrees vote Democratic now. Hadn't you heard? The Republicans now have the distinction of garnering the most voters who are the least educated.
    The only way that stat gets legs is by using "which party carried which state" and comparing that with college degrees in a particular state. Faulty logic. It proves no such thing.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well... he's scientifically correct. It is indeed true that the female body is drastically less likely to conceive from a rape, or while any other severe stressors are going on.

    But how the hell does that answer the question? The question was not "how common is pregnancy resulting from rape?" The question was "would you deny a woman who's been rape access to abortion?"

    I suppose he did, in a round-about way, which was "yes." We should force women to get raped all over again by carrying an unwanted fetus to term so they can reminded of their rape for the rest of their lives. Wonderful.

    What a sick individual.
    This is not true. In fact, some scientists have claimed that there is a higher probability of pregnancy with rape than with consensual sex, specifically, this is discussed in Thornhill and Palmer's controversial A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    liberal arts, fashion merchandizing and women's studies degrees don't count
    Being that you're a Republican, I'm going to guess that you don't actually know what "liberal arts" means... The liberal arts include things like mathematics and science...
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    There is a difference between forcible rape and stuff that is often called date rape. ask any cop or prosecutor. Or if you watched the William Kennedy Smith case (which I did from start to finish) you would understand.
    Explain to me how, when someone drugs you into unconsciousness and rapes you, this is not real rape.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope you of course want to mischaracterize the point

    if someone has been beaten up menaced with a weapon or physical violence it is pretty obvious that the intercourse was a crime

    if the woman says she "said no" and the guy said she said yes and there is no physical evidence of coercion than there is the DISTINCT POSSIBILITY that the woman is not being truthful. The Jury acquitted William Kennedy Smith because they did not believe Patty Bowman's claim that the sex was non-consensual

    In Cincinnati, UC basketball star Louis Banks was accused of "date rape" by a woman who claimed they had NON-Consensual sex on FRIDAY NIGHT but CONSENSUAL sex the following night. How that made it past the grand jury is a puzzler but he was quickly acquitted by the jury because as the jury foreman noted on live tv-she was obviously a LIAR.

    its all about the evidence-something most attorneys understand
    I see. You will give the accused rapist the right to be presumed innocent in a court of law, but you will presume the woman guilty of consensual sex. Two different types of presumptions, one for men, one for women. Right? Or perhaps I should ask, far right?

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    though obviously stupid. the basic premise that a woman is unlikely to get pregnant from rape is true. it's not like a woman can get pregnant 365 days a year. there is a certain specific "window of opportunity" and unless the rape occurs during this time, she isn't going to get preggers. However, if a woman is raped and get pregnant and she does not want to carry her attacker's child...she should be able to get an abortion no questions asked.
    See my posts above.

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