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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Lurker View Post
    Well, I guess it's time for me to sound like the Kenyan's spin machine.

    What the person meant was an actual rape versus a claimed rape.

    Now tell me that the above isn't what the Dims would say if one of their folks had made that stupid comment.

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    Of course it is, that doesn't mean the guy's right.


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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That is not true. See above.

    Rape triggers a stress response which is shown to lower the chances of regular ovulation, conception, and viable pregnancy.

    I feel like it's insane I have to disclaim this, but given how people have responded thus far, I will: I am not defending the anti-choicer in the OP. I am defending scientific accuracy. It does not matter to me if the chances are lower. Women who are raped deserve access to abortion. Any woman deserves access to abortion. However, I will not abandon accuracy to make that point. I don't have to.
    He was claiming a female's body has the ability to respond specifically to rape. That is his argument.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Right here.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060814702

    Extreme stress reduces the chances of not only conception, but also viable pregnancy. Early miscarriage is very common even under the best of circumstances. It is not as though birth is inevitable whenever conception occurs. It is actually more likely it will be expelled. And even more so when under extreme stress.

    Some women who are raped will still become pregnant and maintain the pregnancy. But it is less likely. If they do, it does not make their rape any less "legitimate." But it is scientifically true that it is less likely.
    It is not "scientifically true" that a rape victim is less likely to become pregnant than a woman engaging in consensual sex.

    a bit more from a doctor (board-certified OB-Gyn)
    Did Todd Akin get his misinformation on rape and pregnancy from Physicians for Life?

    The Physicians for Life site quotes 3 sources, only one is original research. The one article was authored by Goth and published in the New England Journal of Medicine, 1977 (yes, 1977) and in NO WAY SUPPORTS THE NOTION THAT RAPES ARE RARE OR THAT THE STRESS RESPONSE LOWERS THE PREGNANCY RATE. It is an article about sexual dysfunction among rapists. Put another way, the Physicians for Life have not provided a single published article to support their claims. Interestingly, Physicians for Life also promote the long disproven claim that abortion causes breast cancer.

    There are obvious difficulties in studying rape outcomes as “only 16 to 38% of rape victims report the rape to law enforcement, and only 17 to 43% present for medical evaluation after rape; one-third of victims of rape never report the assault to their primary care doctor.” (NEJM 2011). However, a scientific estimate (i.e. from research) is between 25,000 and 32,000 pregnancies from rape a year in the United States (American Journal Obstetrics and Gynecology 1996 and American Journal of Preventative Medicine 2000).

    Just to put those numbers into perspective, about 22,000 women a year in the United States develop ovarian cancer. No one thinks that’s rare. About 32,000 American women get melanoma every year (American Cancer Society, 2012). No one thinks that’s rare either.
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is not "scientifically true" that a rape victim is less likely to become pregnant than a woman engaging in consensual sex.

    a bit more from a doctor (board-certified OB-Gyn)
    But...but that doctor is akin to donating to the Democratic party therefore...is not really a really real doctor.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    90% of the population are morons. What is surprising is that this guy has managed to rise to relatively high political office being one.
    It's not too surprising that they've elected one of their own to represent them, is it?
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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How do you purpose getting statistics on women 'claiming' rape to get a legal abortion?

    And if the girl is below the age of consent -- it was statutory rape.
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    When you read my post ... please try to comprehend what I'm saying.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The idiots in the suburbs around St. Louis!

    I've got a friend there and sometimes I fear for his political well-being. Like any of us he can be influenced by his neighbors - and in his case his neighbors are, well, not the sharpest knives in the drawer as far as their convictions go.
    If they're potty trained and know their ABCs, they're generally considered among the sharpest knives in the GOP drawer.

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    Re: Its morons like this that give us Pro-Lifers a bad name:

    Romney is running away from him. Karl Rove is pulling his superpac money from him. Some GOPers are telling him to drop from the race. It's not looking good for the 'ol boy.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course it is, that doesn't mean the guy's right.
    Apparently the concept of humor is elusive to some folks on this board.

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    Re: Missouri Republican claims 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Romney calls Akin



    Credit to Romney for doing the right thing.
    Sounds more like he did the Left thing.

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