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    Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    FBI officials said Thursday that the shooting of a security guard at the Family Research Council's D.C. headquarters on Wednesday may fall in the "hate crime/terrorism nexus," depending on the shooter's motive. FRC is a socially conservative Christian advocacy organization that opposes gay marriage and abortion, among its other causes. In an interview on Fox News Thursday, FRC President Tony Perkins said he thought the attack should be classified as "terrorism," but some other commentators have suggested that the shooting may also qualify as a hate crime, if it can be proven that the attacker was targeting the group's religious beliefs.

    Suspected shooter Floyd Lee Corkins II "has strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner," according to his parents, and Corkins is said to have yelled that he did not like FRC's politics before opening fire. He was also found with a backpack that contained more than a dozen Chick-Fil-a sandwiches, which could be a reference to the chicken chain president's very public opposition to gay marriage.
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    What do you think about this issue?

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Imo, most crimes are based on hate at some level. Whether or not it will be considered a *hate crime* as typically accepted, remains to be seen.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What do you think about this issue?
    It could very well be a hate crime.

    Which by no means means that the head of this company ISN'T a hater, or that those to whom he has contributed should not be considered a hate group.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Terrorism...I could see that, if his intent was to harm someone to make a political statement or to attempt to extort political concessions. Hate crime...that's a little bit harder to connect the dots. Assuming that it's confirmed that he targeted the FRC because of their anti-gay rhetoric, it's pretty difficult to make the jump to "targeting them for their religious beliefs." They're a political organization with a political agenda, not some random religious person who happens to think homosexuality is a sin.

    The Westboro Baptist Church routinely gets roughed up and has their property vandalized. Yet I don't think anyone calls crimes against them "hate crimes." I think the same logic would apply here.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    I think the hate crime designation is pretty useless. "It was a hate crime." "No! It wasn't!" "Yes! It was!" Ad infinitum. The guy shot somebody; attempted murder. Let the judge decide if it was a hate crime after they convict him. Then he can use whatever sentence so applies.

    Trying to also convince the jury it was a hate crime could very possibly confuse the jury. He should be tried for attempted murder. That's the crime that was committed.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    I thought the shooting was being defined as "domestic terrorism."

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It's terrorism IMO. Not a hate crime.

    Ethically, NOT legally, I believe that hate crime is a subset of terrorism specifically directed at oppressed minority, for the purpose of further intimidating them. Terrorism that is not a hate crime targets something else--either a group that is not an oppressed minority or society in general.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    The whole hate crime designation is complete BS. Murder is murder, it doesn't matter why you murder someone they are just as dead.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    In order for it to be a hate crime it has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime is hate motivated.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the hate crime designation is pretty useless. "It was a hate crime." "No! It wasn't!" "Yes! It was!" Ad infinitum. The guy shot somebody; attempted murder. Let the judge decide if it was a hate crime after they convict him. Then he can use whatever sentence so applies.

    Trying to also convince the jury it was a hate crime could very possibly confuse the jury. He should be tried for attempted murder. That's the crime that was committed.
    Just so. Adding "hate" in front of "crime" is a pointless emotionalization of the act, much like adding "assault" before "rifle".
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