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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It does...the differences between the different types of murder are based on someone's thought process.

    Did someone go out to try and murder you? Did they try to harm you yet you ended up dead? Were they just negligent and you ended up dead?

    The difference between all three is just the state of mind of an individual when comitting an act. I don't see how "did they kill you because they hated your race" isn't similar.
    the differences between 1st and 2nd degree murder are based on circumstances of the crime, not the thoughts of the murderer.

    If a woman kills her husband because she hates him, is that a hate crime? thats the problem with this, the definitions are all over the place.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

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    It is a bias motivated crime.So yes it is a hate crime.I believe justice should be fair and that attempted murderer should be charged with a hate crime.

    I do believe that hate crime laws should be struck down.1st degree murder should be just 1st degree of murder, attempted murder should be just attempted murder,rape should be just rape and so on.If you are beaten up,stabbed,shot,raped,robbed or dead I do not think its going to make you feel any better if the assailant doesn't hate you and you are just as beaten up,shot,raped,stabbed,robbed or dead as the guy whose assailant hates him.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Incorrect. I could run down the street screaming "I hate black people" while shooting only black people and that is NOT convictable as a hate crime.

    When you figure out why, you'll understand the rest.
    So the Zimmerman/Martin case is not a hate crime? I thought Sharpton and Jackson said it was.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It does...the differences between the different types of murder are based on someone's thought process.

    Did someone go out to try and murder you? Did they try to harm you yet you ended up dead? Were they just negligent and you ended up dead?

    The difference between all three is just the state of mind of an individual when comitting an act. I don't see how "did they kill you because they hated your race" isn't similar.
    1) Kill someone with pre-meditation because he slept with your wife.
    2) Kill someone with pre-meditation because they are something you don't like (aka "hate" crimes).
    3) Kill someone in the course of a planned robbery. The victim may be random, and it may not be personal against that specific individual, but the crime is still pre-meditated.

    All three would/should qualify as 1st degree murder. The thought process behind each one is irrelevant. The fact that it was intended to happen IS relevant, and thus qualifies it for the highest degree of legally allowable punishment.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    the guy whose assailant hates him.
    That's not what it's about. See (1.) in my post above (#34).
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-17-12 at 04:31 PM.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't think one is worse than another....but I think one has implications the other doesn't. Our law isn't really broken down by A is worse than B therefore A is punished harsher. Which is worse crack or cocaine? Yet sentenceing for crack was longer (not sure if there is still a difference). Which is worse, robbing a bank or committing white collar fraud for much more than a bank heist would ever bring in.....yet who typically gets the longer penalties?
    what implications? that someone else will do it? that someone's feelings were hurt because a murderer did not like their race?

    You liberals need to move out of fantasy land and spend some time in the real world.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    the differences between 1st and 2nd degree murder are based on circumstances of the crime, not the thoughts of the murderer.
    1st Degree requires premiditation which has everything to do with thought process.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Hate crime legislation = thought control = big brother and the thought police. maybe Orwell was right. we have lost all common sense in this country.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    1st Degree requires premiditation which has everything to do with thought process.
    Arguing the 1st and 2nd distinction is not as useful as arguing the manslaughter distinction. But it doesn't matter, because people don't know what a hate crime conviction in the US requires and therefore they have no idea what it's really about.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    1st Degree requires premiditation which has everything to do with thought process.
    Yes, but not whether he loves or hates the victim.
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