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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    I get that, and I agree with you. But to dole out more stringent punishment because of what the criminal was THINKING when he committed the crime is nothing but government thought control. ala 1984 by Orwell.
    That would eliminate the prosecution as domestic terrorism too since that is also a crime of motivation.

    FYI, before some one makes the wrong assumption: I do oppose hate crime laws.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would eliminate the prosecution as domestic terrorism too since that is also a crime of motivation.

    FYI, before some one makes the wrong assumption: I do oppose hate crime laws.
    Then we are in agreement-----------hooray, agreement.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would eliminate the prosecution as domestic terrorism too since that is also a crime of motivation.
    So is 1st degree murder. Get rid of that?

    FYI, before some one makes the wrong assumption: I do oppose hate crime laws.
    I doubt you understand the requirements for such prosecution.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So is 1st degree murder. Get rid of that?
    First degree murder is "willfull and premeditated". Second degree is not premeditated. Premeditation is not motivation. So you would be wrong.

    I doubt you understand the requirements for such prosecution.
    And you would be wrong here as well.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Then we are in agreement-----------hooray, agreement.
    So you do not think he should be prosecuted for domestic terrorism?
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It could be a hate crime although I find it funny that a hate group is bitching about that.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    First degree murder is "willfull and premeditated". Second degree is not premeditated. Premeditation is not motivation. So you would be wrong.
    3rd degree? Manslaughter?

    And you would be wrong here as well.
    You realize that the accused must be found with hate-group membership and/or propaganda (in their possession) targetting the victim's gender/race? Merely attacking someone because of their race/gender is NOT sufficient to convict of a hate crime. You know that?
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Crime is crime, dead is dead, hurt is hurt, victims are victims.
    That's not true. Hate crimes have broader potential societal consequences than regular crimes which is why they are distinguished.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    3rd degree? Manslaughter?
    Kinda irrelevant to anything said. You where wrong, just admit it.

    You realize that the accused must be found with hate-group membership and/or propaganda (in their possession) targetting the victim's gender/race? Merely attacking someone because of their race/gender is NOT sufficient to convict of a hate crime. You know that?
    Has nothiong to do with my reason for opposing hate crime laws. For the record, the reason I oppose them is they set up protected classes in terms of certain crimes. Not needed, not helpful.
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That's not true. Hate crimes have broader potential societal consequences than regular crimes which is why they are distinguished.
    Tell that to the wife and kids of a guy who was murdered for his money. I'm sure they'll understand.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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