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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's not right to make up legislation for what MIGHT or COULD happen.
    Then I guess we better abolish the entire justice system since all criminals are sentenced,in part, based on what might or could happen. Oh boy.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I always Google easily answered questions about hard facts.
    And that is you.

    Now, since we're discussing this issue on a thread for all, and I bring that question to the table, would you like to answer it?

    I'm sure it'd be appreciated.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Id say it was more an act of terrorism.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    LOL! Really? I thought criminals were punished for their specific crimes?
    LOL! Criminals are punished, in part, in order to protect the public from what they might or could do. Are you with me yet? Or do I need to take it down a couple grade levels?

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And that is you.

    Now, since we're discussing this issue on a thread for all, and I bring that question to the table, would you like to answer it?

    I'm sure it'd be appreciated.
    Do what high schoolers around the country do when they want information. Google it. You shouldn't make other people do your homework for you.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    First of all hate crime laws were passed because all white juries were letting defendants of racially motivated murders off after the passage of the civil rights act. This made it a Federal offense rather than a local one which means they could prosecute in Federal courts. .
    Are you saying that these same racist white people who let murderers of black people off the hook would somehow feel compelled to find that same defendant guilty of a hate crime had there been the existence of hate crime laws at the time? Wouldn't they just not find the defendant not guilty of the hate crime or use jury nullification?
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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Explain why women are not allowed to claim "hate crime" when they are raped please.
    The victim -- no matter who they are -- does not determine if an HCE will be pursued. That decision is made by counsel (the prosecutor).

    Sex IS a protected class, and -- legally speaking -- there is nothing stopping a prosecutor from attempting to obtain an HCE based upon demonstration of specific animus against women on the part of the offender.

    The PRACTICAL challenges I have already described in previous posts.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Do what high schoolers around the country do when they want information. Google it. You shouldn't make other people do your homework for you.
    If I want your advice I will ask for it.

    Otherwise you appear to be trying to boss other members around, instead of discussing the issue at hand.

    Now, I'd like to know which groups label the FRC as a hate group. Are these groups of people condemning the FRC primarily liberal/progressive-leaning? If so, is it also fair to say that those groups aren't inclined to deem it a hate crime when religious groups like the FRC is attacked? I wonder if the response would be the same if it weren't the FRC being attacked but, say, a Muslim counterpart.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If I want your advice I will ask for it.

    Otherwise you appear to be trying to boss other members around, instead of discussing the issue at hand.
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    Now, I'd like to know which groups label the FRC as a hate group. Are these groups of people condemning the FRC primarily liberal/progressive-leaning? If so, is it also fair to say that those groups aren't inclined to deem it a hate crime when religious groups like the FRC is attacked? I wonder if the response would be the same if it weren't the FRC being attacked but, say, a Muslim counterpart.
    Google it.

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    Re: Is the Family Research Council shooting a hate crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    See, you're totally assuming things. You are assuming that there will be copycats. You are assuming that the specific targeted community will feel victimized. You are assuming that a specific crime will incite or promote racism. All of which you have no proof would ever occur.
    I'm not assuming a god damn thing. YOU, on the other hand, are pretending that we have no history, no previous information, no basis for making substantive predictions about how larger communities respond to focused, specifically targeted crimes.

    In short, you are basically asserting a stance of "I, ChrisL, don't see how this works...so it must have no basis at all."

    Such a stance is often referred to as the fallacy of incredulity.

    Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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