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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    As a submariner, I must say there is a lot of misinformation and outright lack of knowledge in this thread.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    I'm sure that some folks will just luv my source.

    U.S. Denies That Russian Sub Operated Near Its Coast

    The U.S. Defense Department on Thursday denied the Beacon report, which said a Russian Akula-class submarine capable of carrying long-range ballistic missiles had spent a month in restricted U.S. waters in June and July.

    “I don't know what that information was based on, but it was not correct," spokeswoman Wendy Snyder said, according to Interfax. The Pentagon did not respond to telephoned and e-mailed requests for further comment.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I'm sure that some folks will just luv my source.
    I note that the Pentagon disagrees with these reports. I also note that Obama is "planning" cuts, which means they haven't already happened. So anti-submarine systems have NOT degraded at all, and thereby the cuts did NOT permit a Russian sub into US waters. This looks exactly like political gamesmanship to me.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Let's not let facts get in the way of a political rant during an election cycle...

    All we need now is a former ASW warfare officer turned Congressman to claim many of the current crop of sub hunters say President Obama has 'gutted the navy'...

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Let's not let facts get in the way of a political rant during an election cycle...

    All we need now is a former ASW warfare officer turned Congressman to claim many of the current crop of sub hunters say President Obama has 'gutted the navy'...
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I remember when they used to do this kind of thing all the time. It was sort of a cat and mouse game in the Cold War when they were testing our defenses and practicing attack runs on the United States.
    It still is. Both sides actually benefit from the game, just as long as neither side fires on the other.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Let's not let facts get in the way of a political rant during an election cycle...

    All we need now is a former ASW warfare officer turned Congressman to claim many of the current crop of sub hunters say President Obama has 'gutted the navy'...
    Some of us knew this was coming, we just didn't know who. And right on cue we have Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, sending an open letter to the Chief of Naval Operations requesting more information and expressing concern that budget cuts would allow more of the same to happen and threaten "our national security". I call bull****.

    My two cents says that Cornyn contacted the Chief of Naval Operations (or his people contacted their people) and said, "You all write the letter like you want it and I'll sign it." Cornyn then "writes" the open letter to prove what a stand-up real Amurican he is while at the same time supporting the navy in upcoming budget battles.

    Who knew?

    From UPI:
    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, on Sunday sent the letter to Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert requesting more information on the purported incident.

    "This submarine activity reportedly occurred in June and July, simultaneously with incursions by Russian strategic bombers into restricted U.S. airspace," Cornyn wrote.

    "The submarine patrol, taken together with the air incursions, seems to represent a more aggressive and destabilizing Russian military stance that could pose risks to our national security," Cornyn said.
    Part of Cornyn's letter:

    “The submarine patrol, taken together with the air incursions, seems to represent a more aggressive and destabilizing Russian military stance that could pose risks to our national security.

    “This is especially troubling given the drastic defense cuts sought by President Obama, which include reductions in funding for antisubmarine defense systems.”
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    The report is not true and Pentagon has denied the report.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Back in the cold war we used to routinely send our subs near the old Soviet Union and survale them and test their defences. I would be surprised if we still didnt do that. If we do it why wouldnt they?
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So it appears Russia is showing their military might, and what they accomplished is quite disconcerting.

    I have several initial questions after reading this story.

    What exactly did Russia hope to accomplish by this and the incursions into US air space in the past couple of months?

    Could the US no longer the "big dog" in military might around the world?

    Should the US reduce military spending as the Obama administration proposes?

    Is this a precursor to war?
    I wouldn't be surprised in the least about Russia or anyone else being able to slip through. We are spread way too thin. We need to bring our ships and subs back home so that they can patrol our coast and territorial waters better.

    IE: STOP GOING TO WAR AT THE DROP OF A PIN! It is no wonder that so many consider the US to be imperialistic considering the last 20 years alone.

    War the US was involved in for the past 20 years alone....

    Wars the US has been involved in...

    Libyan civil war: 2011
    Haitian coup d'etat: 2004
    Second Liberian Civil War: 2003
    War on Terror: Started in 2001 and is still ongoing
    Kosovo War or Operation Allied Force or Operation Noble Anvil: 1999
    Bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan or "Operation Infinite Reach: 1998
    Operation Uphold Democracy: 1994
    Bosnian War or Operation Deliberate Force: 1993
    Somali Civil war or Operation Restore Hope: 1992

    Wikipedia ~ List of wars involving the United States

    Edit: Note that the "War on Terror" includes several areas and Wars with in it...like Iraqi War.
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