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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    armed with long-range cruise missiles

    there is the first clue that this might be bogus....how do we know what the sub is armed with? Just because it is capable of carrying and launching the missles does not mean that the ship has them on board.
    Certainly the fast attack sub I served on didn't advertise what kind of warheads we have on our ship.
    I am not familiar with current submarines, but the fast attack is designed to take out boomers, as stated, so why cruise missles? those are long range missles, I would expect a torpedo or a shorter range missle to be used against a boomer, one that carries a torpedo that detaches from the missle after landing in the water....
    All kinds of stink on this story, maybe someone still in the USN can answer this?
    BTW, my last duty station in the Navy was at the Atlantic hub of the undersea surveillance system..in Norfolk... Last I heard the system was obsolete, even if still in place. I thought satellite surveillance was all we used now....any current sailors care to speak up?
    Our attack subs can be, and sometimes are armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles. These can be fired out of the torpedo tubes.

    Akula subs have a similar capability as well.
    All Akulas are armed with four 533 mm torpedo tubes which can use Type 53 torpedoes or the SS-N-15 Starfish missile, and four 650 mm torpedo tubes which can use Type 65 torpedoes or the SS-N-16 Stallion missile.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Can someone reproduce this story in a more conventional publication? We generally observe Russian vessels as they leave port and have had the advantage of narrow exit routes from Murmansk and the Baltic which makes it much easier to track than if we are following those from their Pacific Fleet. But its still a rough game to my knowledge and it wouldn't shock me if we lost track of one. Keeping an accurate eye on submarines (and on a related note sea mines) is still a fairly difficult thing to do.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    Maybe I'm too skeptical but I tend to think these kinds of stories are fear mongering to keep or increase funding as a previous poster stated. Moreover, Russia is standing in the way of western aggressions in the middle east so this story really helps the political dialogue. Even if the story is true Yes military funding should be cut and cut dramatically at least 40% while we're at it abolish the CIA and Homeland Security. If you want safety quit dropping bombs on other countries and meddling in their affairs that will buy you more security than a 100 battleships.
    I was liking this post, all the way until you said, "abolish the CIA and Homeland Security." Why should we do that? If we ablolish those two agencies, then we should just paint a huge poster saying, "Come foreign spies, come gaze at America."
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Our attack subs can be, and sometimes are armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles. These can be fired out of the torpedo tubes.

    Akula subs have a similar capability as well.

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    are cruise missles a likely choice to attack boomers?
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are cruise missles a likely choice to attack boomers?
    Of course not, but i expect that most attack subs will have a few if possible to allow them to attack other targets. You of course would have more knowledge of how they operate, but would not say having 20% of the arms as Cruise Missles not be a better thing from an operational aspect
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Wasn't there some politician who did a speech if front of a classified submarine propeller in the 2008
    election? Maybe they stole our technology?
    I think the Navy could find a sub most any time they wanted to.
    More hype if you ask me.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are cruise missles a likely choice to attack boomers?
    No, they aren't. However, in modern submarine warfare it's not unusual for attack subs to carry cruise missiles so they may participate in long range strikes as part of an overall attack plan. During attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, some of the Tomahawks launched were launched from attack subs. Russia was slow to catch on to this new approach, but with the Akula they adopted it.

    It used to be that Russian subs were almost comically easy to detect. The Alphas were by far the worst. Alphas were the fastest and the deepest diving of all subs at the time, but also the most likely destroyed in sub vs. sub combat. Things all changed when Japan sold advanced milling machines to Russia. Shortly afterward, we see the Akula.

    What I'd asked for was a nuclear submarine propeller, better known in the Navy as a screw. It is so secret that when a sub comes in from patrol its propeller is shrouded with a large covering, and if a sub is drydocked for any length of time, it is commonly removed and stored away from the ship for servicing and prying eyes. It is what drives a submarine quickly and quietly through the water, and it is absolutely critical to a submarine's stealth. It is an extremely high-tech piece of equipment, resulting from extensive Navy research and development, and until recently our propeller technology exceeded the Soviet Union's by a considerable margin. As a result of this and other factors, Soviet submarines of the Cold War were noisier, and therefore easier to detect than our own. Within the context of national security and defense, as well as our nuclear deterrence policy, it is easy to see why propeller research and design have been so carefully guarded. The propellers of USS Nautilus, the first nuclear submarine, are an exception. Essentially World War II submarine propellers, they—along with the rest of the sub—are on display at the Submarine Force Museum in Groton, Connecticut, near where she was built in 1955.

    But something happened to change all that. Back in the mid-1980s, the Japanese company Toshiba sold propeller milling machinery to the Soviets through the Norwegian Kongsberg firm; this and other submarine intelligence furnished by the Walker spy ring resulted in significantly quieter Soviet subs by the later part of the decade. As writer Neal Stevens wrote about the Akula-class Soviet boats, "The combined results generated a steep drop in broadband acoustic noise profiles."
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Wasn't there some politician who did a speech if front of a classified submarine propeller in the 2008
    election? Maybe they stole our technology?
    I think the Navy could find a sub most any time they wanted to.
    More hype if you ask me.
    they didn't have to steal it, the Japanese bought the technology and machinery from us, then sold it to them, after agreeing to NOT sell it to anyone else
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    they didn't have to steal it, the Japanese bought the technology and machinery from us, then sold it to them, after agreeing to NOT sell it to anyone else
    There was a fellow named Ames (currently in the joint for life) who "sold" the information about the sub propellers (among numerous other secrets) to the commies long before any of this other stuff. The Ruskies have known about it for decades.

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