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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It looks like The government is not doing its job adequately.

    http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/
    A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.
    It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.
    The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.
    The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities—forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.
    The Navy is in charge of detecting submarines, especially those that sail near U.S. nuclear missile submarines, and uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them.
    The fact that the Akula was not detected in the Gulf is cause for concern, U.S. officials said.
    As I said your source has no source, and all other sources of this story link back to freebeacon.

    Personally I think its total bull****, there's nothing backing it.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    This is obviously a talking point central bulletin there are so many copies floating around the interwebz.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What are you trying to say? 'cause I don't get it
    The story isn't about whether they have a right to be there, it's about whether we can detect them or not.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    I guess President Obama is incharge of patrolling the Gulf for Submarines...

    this isn't the 'gubmint' failing to detect it maynot even be the navy's fault.

    I'd imagine we have run dozens of boats near them Roosians shores and slid away undetected. The problem with this story is you can't prove a negative. Just how many times have Roosian boats slid into 'The Gulf' undetected? it is like a man breaking into your house at night and watching you sleep for a bit and then slipping back out without you knowing. If he never slips up or has a bit of bad luck you will never know anything about all the other times unless he tells you.

    We routinely run surveillance off china, we had a collision back in BushII's day as I recall. We routinely run surveillance off Roosian shores. We also run silent run deep off foreign shores as training, as long as we stay 12 miles out it is damn good training to practice procedures within sniffing distance of 'the enemy'.

    You would have to be pretty naive to think no nukes travel within a few hundred miles of our coasts.

    Or that we don't do the same thing to China and Roosia.

    But I bet there are some out there who will figure out a way to connect this to Janet Napolitano!

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    Nothing in the story can be confirmed.

    Was there a Russian sub in the Gulf? (And is this unusual?)

    If so, is it true that the US was not aware of it? (And is this unusual?)

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    Akula subs are very good and very quiet. But I've never heard about us struggling to detect them. And now this unofficial source pops in out of nowhere. I'm with wiseone. I find this report suspicious.
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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    If it is not true, it won't be the first time someone was wrong on the internet. If it is true, then I guess we'll have to go back to making movies that show how horrible the Russians are. A remake of the movie Red Don is suppose to come out in November, so I guess we already have that taken care of. That is unless wiki is lying. I know its not considered credible, but this research really isn't all that important.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. offi

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The story isn't about whether they have a right to be there, it's about whether we can detect them or not.
    Does it bother you at that there's nothing at all to even back up the claim that it was there in the first place?

    Are we going to have an argument about why the US military can't detect submarines that don't even exist now?

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    What if it turns out to be true? What if Russia decides to invade?
    Russia isnt going to attack. I DO think that Putin isnt above flexing and poking and even making overtures towards reestablishing 'Soviet' Russia...but he is not at all stupid.

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    Re: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks

    armed with long-range cruise missiles

    there is the first clue that this might be bogus....how do we know what the sub is armed with? Just because it is capable of carrying and launching the missles does not mean that the ship has them on board.
    Certainly the fast attack sub I served on didn't advertise what kind of warheads we have on our ship.
    I am not familiar with current submarines, but the fast attack is designed to take out boomers, as stated, so why cruise missles? those are long range missles, I would expect a torpedo or a shorter range missle to be used against a boomer, one that carries a torpedo that detaches from the missle after landing in the water....
    All kinds of stink on this story, maybe someone still in the USN can answer this?
    BTW, my last duty station in the Navy was at the Atlantic hub of the undersea surveillance system..in Norfolk... Last I heard the system was obsolete, even if still in place. I thought satellite surveillance was all we used now....any current sailors care to speak up?
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