Last edited by MoSurveyor; 08-11-12 at 07:18 PM.
Mt. Rushmore: Three surveyors and some other guy.
Life goes on within you and without you. -Harrison
Hear the echoes of the centuries, Power isn't all that money buys. -Peart
After you learn quantum mechanics you're never really the same again. -Weinberg
Given that, explain the logic of the government kicking its employees to the curb with no healthcare or no pension, requiring that in order to survive the employee has to go on.... government welfare.
What Ryan (and others) are telling people is that 'yes, you've been screwed by your employer, so to make things fair, the federal government is now going to screw its employees too.' It's the classic race to the bottom for the workers and the middle class (the other usual right wing excuse for cutting the workers' standard of living is foreign competition).
All employees contribute to their retirement -- it's called working. A little historical research on worker benefits that were spawned during the wage controls post WW-II would give some insight and innoculate against vapid right wing talking points. What happened is that corporate lackeys/raiders mismanaged the funds, or lost heavily on Wall Street (another source of raiders), and can't pay the defined benefit plans. What happens then? Current retirees get shafted, and current workers get shafted by having to contribute to a much more poorly constructed plan (defined contribution).I don't believe it is fair that taxpayers pay for your retirement when private sector workers have to contribute to their retirement plans as well.
The right always screams about getting rid of Social Security, but is letting corporate America ditch the one solution that would work -- portable defined benefit retirement plans.
Last edited by Karl; 08-11-12 at 07:43 PM.
To cut gov't the best approach may well be to cut entire departments, rather than let the whole operation try to get by on fewer people, and possibly deadwood at that. The only intelligent way to go thru the gov't is line by line... bring in some outfit to analyze every department and every position and every employee. It would take years, but it would be a focused approach that could truely eliminate waste, such as the sole surviving USDA employee, instead of -- as the corporate world usually does -- make everyone work harder for the same pay (actually less as time marches on, due to inflation), with the smart and capable people leaving in disgust and frustration (your attrition) and leaving the deadbeats behind, who faithfully show up just for a paycheck.
Last edited by Karl; 08-11-12 at 07:57 PM.
Yes. I'm ready to endure it because I believe ultimately it's what's best for this country in the long run and what's most in line with the theory, principles, and philosophy behind what this country founding notions were imho.
If I completely changed my tune simply because suddenly my view that has been long established and long spoken actually causes me issues then I'd be a blatant and ridiculous hypocrite.
For all the cries of how greedy Republicans are, the fact that my vote make things a bit harder for me...but better in the long term imho for the United States...due to long held principles on my part is not something that's going to suddenly make me change my vote.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
Problems with that...every Police Dept that has substantial decreases in total numbers on the street see large increases in crime...if you want safety you need a balance between the ratio of responders to citizens...when you reduce totals the job just cant get done....now if your willing to accept that...fine...just hope its not you calling 911. Reductions in police never last long and most always are returned...out of need.
Govt is just like everyones home budget....There are things YOU MUST HAVE...food..police, fire, teachers... that you can only cut so much....there there are things you dont need like cable tv and highspeed internet or the landline or the cellphone....but you cant stop it all...there are necessities.
As a result, rational debate is fruitless. Have a nice day
P.S. Congrats on the strawman... another persistent feature of the current state of conservative 'debate'.
Last edited by Karl; 08-12-12 at 08:19 AM.
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