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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    The only reason to go into the places that are not safe is either because you are spoiling for fight or confrontation of some kind or you are up to some kind of nefarious activity.
    Right, like "living" and "working."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I have no idea what the man's history is, but if he's spent enough time living or working in a high-crime area, it's perfectly reasonable for him to need a gun in order to feel safe.
    He was from Kalamazoo Mich
    I do not know if that was where he was a cop, he may have worked in Detroit
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right, like "living" and "working."
    OK, reading context is always key. If you live in a dangerous neighborhood that is different than visiting a place and GOING into a dangerous neighborhood. If you live in south central LA and tell me you need a gun in your house to feel safe I would say you have an argument. If you visiting Calgary and tell me you need a gun to feel safe you are either mentally ill or a coward.

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now there is a prescription for public safety straight from the Mad Hatter in Wonderland but without benefit of the nifty lid with the fraction on it.
    explain what that ads to the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    They don't have a right to it. Unlike the U.S. we don't have a version of the second amendment we don't even have property rights in the charter. It also isn't only cops and politicians that oppose the citizens do aswell.
    sort of like a stockholm syndrome in practice then

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    OK, reading context is always key. If you live in a dangerous neighborhood that is different than visiting a place and GOING into a dangerous neighborhood. If you live in south central LA and tell me you need a gun in your house to feel safe I would say you have an argument. If you visiting Calgary and tell me you need a gun to feel safe you are either mentally ill or a coward.
    I'm actually pretty spiff when it comes to reading comprehension. "Going into" is something that a resident of such a neighborhood would do after, say, leaving it to work or shop or visit with friends. You were not specific, and words have specific meanings. You had a picture in your mind of what you meant, but since you didn't share that picture with me, I didn't see what you saw. Nevertheless, I can think of a simple example of where you'd "going into" a bad neighborhood for a legitimate reason, even if you didn't live or work there -- visiting someone who does.

    Aside from that, I think maybe your definition of "coward" needs to be revised. You can be either brave or cowardly while feeling mortal fear, regardless if an objective evaluation would find that the fear is justified -- brave is being afraid and doing the hard thing anyway, cowardice is succumbing to your fear and failing in your obligations as a result.

    Finally, there are predators to be found everywhere. Even if you've never even seen a bad neighborhood on TV, a sufficiently bad experience can teach you the necessity of a weapon for personal protection -- and don't tell me that's an indicator of mental illness, because if you do you'll only be making it blazingly obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm actually pretty spiff when it comes to reading comprehension. "Going into" is something that a resident of such a neighborhood would do after, say, leaving it to work or shop or visit with friends. You were not specific, and words have specific meanings. You had a picture in your mind of what you meant, but since you didn't share that picture with me, I didn't see what you saw. Nevertheless, I can think of a simple example of where you'd "going into" a bad neighborhood for a legitimate reason, even if you didn't live or work there -- visiting someone who does.

    Aside from that, I think maybe your definition of "coward" needs to be revised. You can be either brave or cowardly while feeling mortal fear, regardless if an objective evaluation would find that the fear is justified -- brave is being afraid and doing the hard thing anyway, cowardice is succumbing to your fear and failing in your obligations as a result.

    Finally, there are predators to be found everywhere. Even if you've never even seen a bad neighborhood on TV, a sufficiently bad experience can teach you the necessity of a weapon for personal protection -- and don't tell me that's an indicator of mental illness, because if you do you'll only be making it blazingly obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.
    I think your "reading comprehension" needs some work. As I stated it was not your "reading comprehension" that was in question but your reading in context. The context of this thread and my postings are about someone who was in a city that is not known for its violent crimes. He was in a safe part of that city and somehow felt threatened when "accosted" by two young men. Again reading in context is everything. He was not visiting someone in bad neighborhood, he was not living in a bad neighborhood and he was not working in bad neighborhood. My point of bringing up going into bad neighborhoods and visiting cities is to point out that, while all cities have places that are dangerous, finding out where those places are and avoiding them is very, very easy to do.

    As to my point about cowardice. Again reading in context is everything. The thread states that the man wish he had a gun to feel protected when "accosted" by two young men in a public place in broad daylight in safe part of a city known to be a safe city. If you feel threatened by that then you are a coward. If you feel you need a gun in that situation to make you feel safe then you are a coward and quite possibly mentally unstable. In most situations while traveling you are perfectly safe without a gun. Again while I can think of a few situations when being armed might be necessary for protection, this definitely was not one of them. In general if you feel you need to carry a gun to feel safe then you seriously need to consider mental therapy. While there are few situations when I can think it wise those are few and far between.

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    I think your "reading comprehension" needs some work. As I stated it was not your "reading comprehension" that was in question but your reading in context.
    Reading in context is but a part of reading comprehension.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    The context of this thread and my postings are about someone who was in a city that is not known for its violent crimes. He was in a safe part of that city and somehow felt threatened when "accosted" by two young men. Again reading in context is everything.
    If you had read my first post in thread, you would've known I didn't defend the man's silliness in that particular instance. When I responded to you, you were painting with a broad brush: "If you need a gun to make yourself feel safe do everyone a favor and either stay home or seek mental help." The context was along the lines of the thread's subject, but the comment itself was not qualified in any way.

    I then proceeded to provide you with an example of the sort of person who might need a gun in order to feel safe. You then once again painted with a pretty broad brush about the kind of person who would go into a bad neighborhood.

    I'm not missing the context, I've been responding to that broad brush you insist on using.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    He was not visiting someone in bad neighborhood, he was not living in a bad neighborhood and he was not working in bad neighborhood.
    I have also pointed out that one doesn't need to live in a bad neighborhood to have a life-changing experience that makes you want to arm yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    My point of bringing up going into bad neighborhoods and visiting cities is to point out that, while all cities have places that are dangerous, finding out where those places are and avoiding them is very, very easy to do.
    Sure, unless you grow up in it or you're too poor to move out.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    In general if you feel you need to carry a gun to feel safe then you seriously need to consider mental therapy. While there are few situations when I can think it wise those are few and far between.
    ... and there you go, painting with a broad brush again, even after I've pointed out legitimate reasons for wanting to carry a gun in order to feel safe.
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    explain what that ads to the discussion

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