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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Depends where they're carrying it and why. In some situations I think it can be perfectly rational to want to carry a gun.
    What situations would those be? And does a person know that they are going to run into those situations every time they step out their door?
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    That's what Canadians think and why he is a laughing stock here. There are only about 150 licenses ever issued in Canada that would allow you to carry a handgun and those are reserved for people who the government deems threatened.
    I know some Canadians that would disagree with you here.
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I know some Canadians that would disagree with you here.
    Most don't though. There is no debate about pistols (practically everyone agrees on it) here only long guns.

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What situations would those be? And does a person know that they are going to run into those situations every time they step out their door?
    If you're a woman who walks home alone from work at 9 PM, through a bad neighborhood, then I think it's completely rational to want to have a gun (or some other type of weapon).

    If you're a tourist on vacation in a foreign country (in freaking *Calgary* of all places) on a leisurely walk through a nice park in broad daylight, then yes, you're a paranoid nut if you want a gun just in case someone tries to start some ****.
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're reading far too much into his letter. He never said that he was in a "life or death" encounter. He just said that he was "nervous"...not frightened. It was a reasonable question that should be asked regardless of who says it or the circumstances for asking the question. The kind of situation that he believed that he was in however naturally does bring out the question. But asking the question does not mean
    He was obviously more than just nervous, as he went to the trouble to write a letter to the Calgary Herald about the experience. If I get "nervous" I don't make a big deal about it...I probably don't even remember it an hour later.

    Which of course you hear all about. How often do you hear about the cases where no gun was drawn and the situation never esculated? Funny how those are never mentioned and ignored while all the bad things always get touted about.
    Because if the gun was never drawn and the situation never escalated, then it's no different than there not being a gun at all. Of course that's the outcome in most of these cases...but it tells us nothing about the outcome of the cases where it *is* drawn.

    If he's had the opposite effect it is because people are assuming way too much. Which means there is a problem with them. Not him and his message.
    From his own account we can get a pretty good sense of what happened: 1) The guys didn't assault him, and 2) They looked "bewildered" by his curt response. Based on his own account of what happened, I don't think it's a huge assumption that they posed no danger to him whatsoever.

    Your logic leads to it. And would you be saying the same thing if something HAD happened to him? All that he wanted was his gun in case he had need of it. Thats all. Nothing in his letter actually suggests that he would have used it in any way shape or form as things were. You just assume that he would have. From the way you have been talking you assume that he would have brandished it to get them to back off and the situation would have esculated because of it. Yet you have no evidence what so ever that he would have.
    You are missing the point. He's just getting the criticism because he's the one who wrote the letter and because he seems quite paranoid himself (i.e. like the type of person who *would* do something rash). But suppose he wouldn't draw the gun. The problem isn't so much him as an individual...it's the fact that SOME people with his thought process in that same situation *would* be paranoid and *would* pull the gun. I mean, it's not like it's wild speculation that people who have guns occasionally do really stupid stuff because they irrationally feel threatened. There are reports of it all the time.
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you're a woman who walks home alone from work at 9 PM, through a bad neighborhood, then I think it's completely rational to want to have a gun (or some other type of weapon).

    If you're a tourist on vacation in a foreign country (in freaking *Calgary* of all places) on a leisurely walk through a nice park in broad daylight, then yes, you're a paranoid nut if you want a gun just in case someone tries to start some ****.
    So you've never heard of the phrase "Better to be prepared than to not be"? or "Better to have and not need than to need and not have"? Is it not possible to want to be prepared, and let it known that you want to be prepared without being called some paranoid nutjob?
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    He was obviously more than just nervous, as he went to the trouble to write a letter to the Calgary Herald about the experience. If I get "nervous" I don't make a big deal about it...I probably don't even remember it an hour later.
    Writing a letter about it to the local newspaper does not mean that he was "more than just nervous" in that encounter. That is just your assumption.

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    Because if the gun was never drawn and the situation never escalated, then it's no different than there not being a gun at all. Of course that's the outcome in most of these cases...but it tells us nothing about the outcome of the cases where it *is* drawn.
    Yet you are perfectly willing to assume that this person would have drawn their gun. Despite your acknowledgement that there are times when such sitations as this (only one of people having a gun) arise and nothing ever comes of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From his own account we can get a pretty good sense of what happened: 1) The guys didn't assault him, and 2) They looked "bewildered" by his curt response. Based on his own account of what happened, I don't think it's a huge assumption that they posed no danger to him whatsoever.
    Obviously they didn't pose a danger to him. But here's a question for you...how would anyone have known that until after it was done and over with? Hinde sight is 20/20 of course. But present sight is anything but 20/20.

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    You are missing the point. He's just getting the criticism because he's the one who wrote the letter and because he seems quite paranoid himself (i.e. like the type of person who *would* do something rash). But suppose he wouldn't draw the gun. The problem isn't so much him as an individual...it's the fact that SOME people with his thought process in that same situation *would* be paranoid and *would* pull the gun. I mean, it's not like it's wild speculation that people who have guns occasionally do really stupid stuff because they irrationally feel threatened. There are reports of it all the time.
    And you're missing the point of his letter. It certainly wasn't to portray that he would have used his gun. Or to portray that he would have brandished it and esculated the situation. Nor does it show any abnormal paranoia. It was a letter to show people that while yeah this time things went hunky dorie that doesn't mean that it always will. And in Calgary it is not legal to carry something which will help you to defend yourself even though real criminals may use that very thing and cops are allowed to use it. I mean come on, if cops are allowed to use it to defend themselves because it is acknowledged that the criminals will have guns then why shouldn't the general populace have the same ability? To that cop the citizens were being treated as "less than cops" because they could not defend themselves on equal footing as cops from criminals who will use a gun. THAT was the point of his letter. He just used what happened to him as an example. Perhaps because he realizes that a dead person will not be able to say the same thing.
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    After 6 pages of complete rationalizations of why this guy should feel "threatened" I find it more than humorous that many people say a person needs to be armed to "feel" secure. When did we bocome so cowardly that we feel we need to be armed in order to protect ourselves.

    That is right I said cowardly. If you need a gun to make yourself feel protected then you are a coward.

    A man "accosted" in public park in broad daylight by two obnoxious kids needs a gun to make himself feel safe??????? If you need a gun to make yourself feel safe do everyone a favor and either stay home or seek mental help.

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    I have no idea what the man's history is, but if he's spent enough time living or working in a high-crime area, it's perfectly reasonable for him to need a gun in order to feel safe.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I have no idea what the man's history is, but if he's spent enough time living or working in a high-crime area, it's perfectly reasonable for him to need a gun in order to feel safe.
    No it is not "perfectly reasonable." Reason is just that. If he was walking in Griffith Park at midnight and was acossted by two young men it might be reasonable for him to need a weapon. But then why would anyone, not spoiling for fight or up to nefarious activities, be in Griffith Park at midnight.

    My point is that I have travelled all over the world to places both industrialized and third world. All these places have one thing in common, most areas are safe for almost everyone at anytime time of day or not. There are always places that are not safe day or night. There are places that are safe during the day but not at night. Everyone either knows or could easily find out where these places are in any given location. The only reason to go into the places that are not safe is either because you are spoiling for fight or confrontation of some kind or you are up to some kind of nefarious activity. The only reason you would need a gun to feel safe is if you purposefully travel to unsafe areas for the above mentioned reasons or if you are in a safe area you are a coward. The one you should never have to deal with unless you purposefully want to and the other, like I stated before, please stay at home and draw the shades or seek mental help.

    By the way if he spent his whole carreer in bad neighborhoods and now needs a gun to feel safe it pretty much proves my point about seeking mental help because obviously something in not right in his head.

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