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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It doesn't matter if they were trying to be rude. He felt threatened and was afraid for his wife's safety. But feeling threatened does not mean that he would have automatically pulled out his gun or even showed it like you are implying that he would do. You have no evidence that he would have other than your own biased thought patterns.
    In his letter to the Calgary Herald, he said "Would we not expect a uniformed officer to pull his or her weapon to intercede in a life-or-death encounter to protect self, or another? Why then should the expectation be lower for a citizen of Canada or a visitor?" If he still views this as potentially a "life-or-death encounter" AFTER he made it out of the situation without getting hurt, and AFTER he's had time to cool down and write a letter to the newspaper, then I can only imagine what kind of paranoia he would've had at the time.

    And people complain about gun laws all the time. Both in Canada and in the US. Yet you don't see them automatically pulling out guns the moment they feel threatened do you? Hell, we complain about gun laws lots here at DP for one example.
    In the US people *do* end up getting shot because some paranoid dumbass pulls out a gun and a situation escalates far beyond the point that it needed to.

    It would have mattered had they been in any danger. And there is no evidence that they would have been had the guy had his gun with him. Again....all that he said is that he would have felt safer with it. Feeling safer =/= will cause trouble or shoot someone with gun if they have it.
    Well that guy being nervous for ten seconds isn't a good enough reason. The funny thing is, I'm not even necessarily opposed to carrying weapons (depending on the place and circumstance). But if this guy's intent was to make people more sympathetic to that point of view, he's had precisely the opposite effect.

    Idiocy. Just because someone has a gun does not mean that they are the ones to always start ****.
    Who said that they're ALWAYS the ones to start ****? I'm saying that in this particular case, if he had a gun and **** went down, it would have been because he started it. How do I know this? Because nothing happened to him!
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There is no reason whatsoever to assume that. Law-abiding citizens, and I'm pretty certain that he was law-abiding, due to his law enforcement background, carry for defense, not offense.
    The concern isn't so much that he's going to use it for "offense," in the sense that he's going to go rob a 7/11. The concern is that he's a paranoid nut who truly thinks he's using it for "defense" and needlessly escalates a situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The concern isn't so much that he's going to use it for "offense," in the sense that he's going to go rob a 7/11. The concern is that he's a paranoid nut who truly thinks he's using it for "defense" and needlessly escalates a situation.
    don't you generally believe that anyone who carries a handgun is a paranoid nut?

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    don't you generally believe that anyone who carries a handgun is a paranoid nut?
    Depends where they're carrying it and why. In some situations I think it can be perfectly rational to want to carry a gun.
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    don't you generally believe that anyone who carries a handgun is a paranoid nut?
    That's what Canadians think and why he is a laughing stock here. There are only about 150 licenses ever issued in Canada that would allow you to carry a handgun and those are reserved for people who the government deems threatened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That's what Canadians think and why he is a laughing stock here. There are only about 150 licenses ever issued in Canada that would allow you to carry a handgun and those are reserved for people who the government deems threatened.
    I would strip any policeman or politician the power to carry a gun if they opposed such rights for OTHER civilians

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    I would strip any policeman or politician the power to carry a gun if they opposed such rights for OTHER civilians
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    I would strip any policeman or politician the power to carry a gun if they opposed such rights for OTHER civilians
    Off duty cops in Canada if I am not mistake do not have the right to carry handguns,
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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

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    I would strip any policeman or politician the power to carry a gun if they opposed such rights for OTHER civilians
    They don't have a right to it. Unlike the U.S. we don't have a version of the second amendment we don't even have property rights in the charter. It also isn't only cops and politicians that oppose the citizens do aswell.

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    Re: 'Nose Hill Gentlemen' pro-gun letter sparks Twitter frenzy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In his letter to the Calgary Herald, he said "Would we not expect a uniformed officer to pull his or her weapon to intercede in a life-or-death encounter to protect self, or another? Why then should the expectation be lower for a citizen of Canada or a visitor?" If he still views this as potentially a "life-or-death encounter" AFTER he made it out of the situation without getting hurt, and AFTER he's had time to cool down and write a letter to the newspaper, then I can only imagine what kind of paranoia he would've had at the time.
    You're reading far too much into his letter. He never said that he was in a "life or death" encounter. He just said that he was "nervous"...not frightened. It was a reasonable question that should be asked regardless of who says it or the circumstances for asking the question. The kind of situation that he believed that he was in however naturally does bring out the question. But asking the question does not mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In the US people *do* end up getting shot because some paranoid dumbass pulls out a gun and a situation escalates far beyond the point that it needed to.
    Which of course you hear all about. How often do you hear about the cases where no gun was drawn and the situation never esculated? Funny how those are never mentioned and ignored while all the bad things always get touted about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well that guy being nervous for ten seconds isn't a good enough reason. The funny thing is, I'm not even necessarily opposed to carrying weapons (depending on the place and circumstance). But if this guy's intent was to make people more sympathetic to that point of view, he's had precisely the opposite effect.
    If he's had the opposite effect it is because people are assuming way too much. Which means there is a problem with them. Not him and his message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who said that they're ALWAYS the ones to start ****? I'm saying that in this particular case, if he had a gun and **** went down, it would have been because he started it. How do I know this? Because nothing happened to him!
    Your logic leads to it. And would you be saying the same thing if something HAD happened to him? All that he wanted was his gun in case he had need of it. Thats all. Nothing in his letter actually suggests that he would have used it in any way shape or form as things were. You just assume that he would have. From the way you have been talking you assume that he would have brandished it to get them to back off and the situation would have esculated because of it. Yet you have no evidence what so ever that he would have.
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