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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    An army of strawmen. I didn't say a thing about fuel prices, and I couldn't care less how it affects demand.

    You're tripping all over yourself here.
    I think you're confusing "strawmen" for "something Harshaw doesn't want to acknowledge because it hurts his position".

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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    As you focus solely on the tax and ignore the lowered cost of healthcare....?

    I'd agree with you if there was no benefit on the other side for consumers, like a war tax.

    But if people can ultimately save thousands of dollars on their healthcare costs, which everyone will eventually use, is the increase of few cents of products really going reduce demand? In the long run, people should theoretically have MORE money at the end of the year to spend on greasy pizza, which, ironically, will likely INCREASE their use of healthcare.
    What? What in PPACA lowers any medical care costs? In case you have not noticed these medical care insurance costs went up due to PPACA.
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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    20 cents is the direct cost increase. It doesn’t include the other increases as his suppliers also raise rates to offset their higher burden.

    It’s simple way of hiding of the progressive tax implemented as insurance providers laugh all the way to the bank.

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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    I think you're confusing "strawmen" for "something Harshaw doesn't want to acknowledge because it hurts his position".
    I think you're just plain confused.

    Neither fuel prices nor effect on demand have anything to do with what I said. At all. In any way.

    You're simply trying to deflect to other issues.

    Look, as a tax, it will be paid extremely disproportionately by the lowest incomes. If you think that's OK, then you're cheering on a regressive tax. That's really all there is to it. "Fuel prices" and "decrease in demand" are 100% irrelevant -- simply distractions.
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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? What in PPACA lowers any medical care costs?
    ???
    It's the entire goal of the bill. It's a long term solution to rising health care costs.

    You can disagree with it's effectiveness, but you can't say it WON'T lower costs just because you have a ideological problem with it.

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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I think you're just plain confused.

    Neither fuel prices nor effect on demand have anything to do with what I said. At all. In any way.

    You're simply trying to deflect to other issues.

    Look, as a tax, it will be paid extremely disproportionately by the lowest incomes. If you think that's OK, then you're cheering on a regressive tax. That's really all there is to it. "Fuel prices" and "decrease in demand" are 100% irrelevant -- simply distractions.
    So, all you got from my post was "------- -- ------ --- YAY TAX ON THE POOR!!!! ----- ----------- -- - --------- ---- --- -------- - -"?

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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    ???
    It's the entire goal of the bill. It's a long term solution to rising health care costs.

    You can disagree with it's effectiveness, but you can't say it WON'T lower costs just because you have a ideological problem with it.
    Let's inject a little reality at this point.

    Average Cost of U.S. Health Coverage per Employee is Expected to Cross... -- LINCOLNSHIRE, Ill., Oct. 3, 2011 /PRNewswire/ --

    Average Employer Healthcare Costs Exceed $6,800, New Survey Reports
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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Thanks to ObamaCare, your favorite pizzeria might be going out of business.
    Aren't they a million dollar business? I really don't think Obamacare will screw Papa Johns over. Call me crazy

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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    So, all you got from my post was "------- -- ------ --- YAY TAX ON THE POOR!!!! ----- ----------- -- - --------- ---- --- -------- - -"?
    Your posts are cheering on a regressive tax, where the benefits don't change the fact that the tax is regressive. Any regressive tax has benefits. It's the "regressive" nature of the tax which is generally objected to.

    So I guess the question is this: what, given everything you've said here -- especially the "benefits" -- would be your objection to switching from income taxes to consumption taxes, paid at the register?

    Or would you NOT object to that?
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    Re: Papa John's Pizza To Raise Prices Because Of Obamacare, CEO John Schnatter Says

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    because if they dont have insurance we will pay far more for their trip to the emergency room...
    No matter of they go to the ER, or if they get insurance through work due to the ACA... WE are paying for it... To not realize that money is going out one way or another to pay for other peoples healthcare is to be ignorant.
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