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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If there was a 300 foot rule away from any businesses and parks for occutard protesters I guarentee you would be screeming that this is a ban on free speech.
    I don't even know what that means or how it relates to this thread.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I could be convinced to suffer reasonable restriction, "free speech zones" are not reasonable restriction.
    Honestly, I have not seen every example of 'free speech zones' -- The ones I have seen, I thought, were reasonable restrictions in the interest of safety and keeping the peace. They were located close enough to the event to be noticed by news and others passing near the area of the event -- however they weren't blocking streets or sidewalks etc.

    If you own a business next to a hotel or convention center, you pay taxes, and you expect police and city hall to protect your property.

    It's about balance.

    There many be examples of overzealous police (like we saw with campus police) or unreasonable placement of 'free speech zones'.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Though I dislike WBC, I wonder what the future holds for the 300 feet measurement or another arbitrary measurement. What other event could an expanded law affect?
    My understanding is this is specific to Military funerals. It seems reasonable.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The will of gods has nothing to do with the laws of man. Freedom has repercussions and to keep it, we must accept those repercussions.
    i actually was just making fun of how westboro claims to be able to correctly interpret things like court cases of extensions of god's will. If they win a court case, they say god wants to destroy their enemies, and if they lose a court case, they say god is hastening the end times so they will finally ascend with the chosen. it all makes sense as long as you listen to everything they say, ignore everything everybody else says, and don't think - not even for a second
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    i actually was just making fun of how westboro claims to be able to correctly interpret things like court cases of extensions of god's will. If they win a court case, they say god wants to destroy their enemies, and if they lose a court case, they say god is hastening the end times so they will finally ascend with the chosen. it all makes sense as long as you listen to everything they say, ignore everything everybody else says, and don't think - not even for a second
    No doubt.

    WBC and Fred Phelps apparently gets on more conference calls with The Big Guy than the Pope.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    What you people think is freedom is not freedom. What you people think should not be considered freedom is freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Honestly, I have not seen every example of 'free speech zones' -- The ones I have seen, I thought, were reasonable restrictions in the interest of safety and keeping the peace. They were located close enough to the event to be noticed by news and others passing near the area of the event -- however they weren't blocking streets or sidewalks etc.

    If you own a business next to a hotel or convention center, you pay taxes, and you expect police and city hall to protect your property.

    It's about balance.

    There many be examples of overzealous police (like we saw with campus police) or unreasonable placement of 'free speech zones'.
    The party's conferences are notorious for this. Caged in areas far away from the convention center so that protesters don't make the news and that politicians are not seen being protested. Here's the "free speech" zone at the 2004 DNC conference
    First_amendment_zone2.jpg

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    Free speech zones were also used in New York City at the 2004 Republican National Convention. According to Mike McGuire, a columnist for the online anti-war magazine Nonviolent Activist, "The policing of the protests during the 2004 Republican National Convention represent[ed] another interesting model of repression. The NYPD tracked every planned action and set up traps. As marches began, police would emerge from their hiding places — building vestibules, parking garages, or vans — and corral the dissenters with orange netting that read 'POLICE LINE – DO not CROSS,' establishing areas they ironically called 'ad-hoc free speech zones.' One by one, protesters were arrested and detained—some for nearly two days."[15] Both the Democratic and Republican National parties were jointly awarded a 2005 Jefferson Muzzle from the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression, "For their mutual failure to make the preservation of First Amendment freedoms a priority during the last Presidential election".
    Hell we even do preemptive raids on potential protesters these days, like the 2008 RNC Convention or the 2012 NATO protest. Arrest people before they can even protest. Gotta love our commitment to assembly, protest, and redress. Go Free Speech Zones! We don't need free speech anyway!
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    i actually was just making fun of how westboro claims to be able to correctly interpret things like court cases of extensions of god's will. If they win a court case, they say god wants to destroy their enemies, and if they lose a court case, they say god is hastening the end times so they will finally ascend with the chosen. it all makes sense as long as you listen to everything they say, ignore everything everybody else says, and don't think - not even for a second
    Yeah, I try not to get caught up in their rhetoric. I will give them all the protest they want, I think in a free society things like this should be expected. We shouldn't try to destroy freedom because a few people are jerks.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't support WBC, but I don't support that segment of the bill, either. WBC isn't doing anything illegal or dangerous. They're being assholes. There's no constitutional limitation on being an asshole.
    I totally agree.

    Westboro are jackasses, but I don't like anything that limits freedom of speech.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    My understanding is this is specific to Military funerals. It seems reasonable.
    No, it's a precedent to be use later to encrouch some more, and then more again later....until your liberty is gone.
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