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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    A Kansas law almost exactly like this was struck down last year by the Supreme Court. If Phelps were actually blocking access to the funerals or actually inciting violence, that would be one thing and there are already laws on the books to deal with those kinds of things if they are occurring. Anything else is a violation of the liberty that these men and women died defending.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    "Fighting words" are not covered under the first amendment.

    Also, 300 feet is hardly a 'ban'.

    You're overreacting.

    You should say "Thank you."

    If there was a 300 foot rule away from any businesses and parks for occutard protesters I guarentee you would be screeming that this is a ban on free speech.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I have no problem with 'free speech' zones. Public safety trumps your right incite a riot.
    I could be convinced to suffer reasonable restriction, "free speech zones" are not reasonable restriction. They are purposefully constructed, caged off areas placed miles from where anything (like conventions) are occuring. It's purposeful government force against our right to assembly, speech, association, and redress in order to mitigate the effects those would have.

    While there could be "reasonable" regulation, there is also unreasonable regulation, and in that case you end up destroying the foundation of freedom and liberty; very dangerous. On some level while it is all well and good to worry about "public safety", we cannot take it to such extremes that our rights are taken away and the purpose of them obliterated. As with "free speech zones" laws such as the topic of this thread are rather "floppy" in definition and draconian in enforcement and are very very easily abused by government to silence dissent. That cannot be allowed to happen.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If there was a 300 foot rule away from any businesses and parks for occutard protesters I guarentee you would be screeming that this is a ban on free speech.
    I certainly would have. I argued against many of the laws being used against OWS to silence their dissent and protest.

    But then again, I do love freedom.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    I wish everybody was perfectly nice to the Westboro cult and shook their heads at the ridiculous comments and chuckled at the ridiculous protests. Their viewpoint - one in which they are alone speaking "the truth" in the final days before Christ's return - is perpetuated by the way society reacts to them. But I can't blame people for reacting that way. It's just the normal human reaction and it's what their protests are designed to elicit.

    Whether or not to use the law to prohibit their actions is an extremely difficult decision, and I have respect for the decision Obama made. Yes, having our President waste a moment of his time on these morons is not something I wanted to witness. And yes, putting a limitation on a religious group's freedom to protest is not something I'd normally endorse. But I don't see any way in the world that this will be used as a "slippery slope," so I think this time it's clear that God's will is to smite the Phelps cult and we will rejoice in his judgement against them.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I wish everybody was perfectly nice to the Westboro cult and shook their heads at the ridiculous comments and chuckled at the ridiculous protests. Their viewpoint - one in which they are alone speaking "the truth" in the final days before Christ's return - is perpetuated by the way society reacts to them. But I can't blame people for reacting that way. It's just the normal human reaction and it's what their protests are designed to elicit.

    Whether or not to use the law to prohibit their actions is an extremely difficult decision, and I have respect for the decision Obama made. Yes, having our President waste a moment of his time on these morons is not something I wanted to witness. And yes, putting a limitation on a religious group's freedom to protest is not something I'd normally endorse. But I don't see any way in the world that this will be used as a "slippery slope," so I think this time it's clear that God's will is to smite the Phelps cult and we will rejoice in his judgement against them.
    The will of gods has nothing to do with the laws of man. Freedom has repercussions and to keep it, we must accept those repercussions.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The will of gods has nothing to do with the laws of man. Freedom has repercussions and to keep it, we must accept those repercussions.
    What you people think is freedom is not freedom. What you people think should not be considered freedom is freedom.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    A Kansas law almost exactly like this was struck down last year by the Supreme Court. If Phelps were actually blocking access to the funerals or actually inciting violence, that would be one thing and there are already laws on the books to deal with those kinds of things if they are occurring. Anything else is a violation of the liberty that these men and women died defending.

    Snyder v. Phelps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Right. People killed and were killed for the freedom to harass and insult people at funerals.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I hate what the Westburo church does as much as the next guy, however, what they are doing is free speech.
    If this is America's idea of free speech than maybe they are right: Death to America.
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