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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What if one is trying to protest at a funeral not to exalt the death of the soldier, but rather to protest the actions of government which led to the death? Is that not legitimate protest? Not under this law it's not, off you go and enjoy jail.

    I cannot believe there are people who support bills like this, I have to wonder if they've thought any of this through.
    write an OP-Ed piece and get over it.

    You can 'what if' all day... "What if you want to protest the funeral of a solider who was killed molesting kitties?"

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    write an OP-Ed piece and get over it.

    You can 'what if' all day... "What if you want to protest the funeral of a solider who was killed molesting kitties?"
    It's beyond that, this is free speech we're talking about here and it must be protected. I can "what if" all day, but I'll refrain from such intellectually dishonest comments as made in the quote above. Instead I will say that my original hypothetical is not uncommon nor is it unreasonable. The rights of the People cannot be further chipped away just because some people couldn't handle the results of freedom.

    Everyone who wants to say "thank you" for this law is one who cannot abide the consequences of freedom.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's beyond that, this is free speech we're talking about here and it must be protected. I can "what if" all day, but I'll refrain from such intellectually dishonest comments as made in the quote above. Instead I will say that my original hypothetical is not uncommon nor is it unreasonable. The rights of the People cannot be further chipped away just because some people couldn't handle the results of freedom.

    Everyone who wants to say "thank you" for this law is one who cannot abide the consequences of freedom.
    300 feet? It's not a ban. How are you being prevented from an far-fetched hypothetical?

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    I dont care if they dont limit WBC freedom of speech, I say let them protest anywhere they want. But I dont think they should limit us vets from the freedom to apply asswhippins as we see fit.

    Hehe. I really applaud Obama's Act. Another reason to vote for him.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    300 feet? It's not a ban. How are you being prevented from an far-fetched hypothetical?
    So are you in agreement for free speech zones as well?

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    300 feet? It's not a ban. How are you being prevented from an far-fetched hypothetical?
    300 feet and 4 hours. Within a four hour block around the funeral, no protest even outside 300 feet is allowed.

    I mean people like you are how we end up with "free speech" zones, fenced in areas miles from the convention. "How's it a ban, how are you being prevented? You can stand in that little cage over there and protest, go write an Op-Ed piece" blah blah blah. Stupid.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Oh, I almost forgot...

    Thank you President Obama for giving families of the fallen a little bit more piece (and space) during their grieving while not inflicting any real damage on free speech.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    300 feet and 4 hours. Within a four hour block around the funeral, no protest even outside 300 feet is allowed.

    I mean people like you are how we end up with "free speech" zones, fenced in areas miles from the convention. "How's it a ban, how are you being prevented? You can stand in that little cage over there and protest, go write an Op-Ed piece" blah blah blah. Stupid.
    I have no problem with 'free speech' zones. Public safety trumps your right incite a riot. Also regular commerce and business should not be halted every time someone wants to get up on a soap box. People throwing a convention are paying a lot of money for timing of events and logistics, etc. They have a right conduct their business without some type of intentional sabotage or disruption for the sake of protest. I'm not saying protesters shouldn't try to disrupt the event to make point, but they risk trespassing and arrest.

    Also, if the size of a demonstration could potentially endanger event-goers or nearby businesses, then move the protest to a safe and sane area.

    In this case the protest restrictions are reasonable -- any group who wants to be heard is capable of contacting local media and sending out a press release after they get their permit.

    Words can be like daggers, they can cause real emotional pain. And fighting words are not covered by the 1st Amendment. What is the public interest in further wounding grieving people? Your example about protesting a fallen solider as a way of protesting the war is confusing to me. If you're protesting a military funeral, doesn't that imply you have a problem the families of fallen or the fallen solider?


    IMO -- the boldest most meaningful protests are the ones that violate the law and thumb their nose at authority.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are you in agreement for free speech zones as well?
    Yes. Public safety trumps free speech, and if a demonstration poses a potential threat, then set up a buffer.

    Keep in mind the freedom we have to hold extremely large protests right outside the U.S. Capitol on the National Mall. These large events are often televised and reach all corners of the country.

    But when a convention is held in a busy downtown area, safety measures based on past experiences are perfectly okay. Again, if you you really believe in your cause, then look for a way to make your point without hurting people and minimal damage to property. A great protest often skates over the law.

    The rules outside the White House are reasonable measures to protect the President and his family.

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    Though I dislike WBC, I wonder what the future holds for the 300 feet measurement or another arbitrary measurement. What other event could an expanded law affect?
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