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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

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    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Uhhh where is the limit in this?
    This is clearly prohibiting the free exercise of speech and assembly.
    Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to verbally harass people at their religious events.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to verbally harass people at their religious events.
    When was the last time Westboro actually went to the actual burial/service and interrupted the actual burial/service?


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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Uhhh where is the limit in this?
    This is clearly prohibiting the free exercise of speech and assembly.

    Like I said we disagree theres alot of things we cant say...

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When was the last time Westboro actually went to the actual burial/service and interrupted the actual burial/service?
    I think i posted one last week...where they went to a service but was swarmed by thousands who blocked them from getting near or disrupting the service....You do realize that one day they are going to cause some nutjob to go off and start mowing them down....Im shocked it hasnt happened already.....they attempted to block a service quite recently and were foiled

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your freedom of speech does not give you the right to verbally harass people at their religious events.

    Well said............

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When was the last time Westboro actually went to the actual burial/service and interrupted the actual burial/service?
    What does it matter? Your right to freedom of speech, doesn't give you the right to harass others at their events. We have a million kind of laws where things like freedom of speech do not trump things like property rights.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    'Ya know, I'm a little torn on this, but I like the rule. My first knee jerk reaction is that even douche bags have first amendment rights. But, when I think a little more, I think of what limits there might be on the first amendment. Certainly, a member of Westboro does not have the right to invade my home and protest. After all, that is my privacy (not to mention my property). So how far can the first amendment argument be pushed before it begins to violate the rights of others? After careful thought, I have have to agree with Obama on this one. If Westboro wants to protest military funerals, let them do it from their church. They don't have the right to invade the privacy of others, and hurt them while they are grieving over a family member. It is tacky, and now it is illegal.

    Now that running over the rights of the families of deceased soldiers is illegal, the Patriot Guard is probably no longer needed. At this time, I would like to thank the Patriot Guard from the bottom of my heart, for what they did to confront and defeat the agenda of these assholes who are going to fry in hell for using the word of God to spread such hatred.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    I really, really dislike the WBC.

    They are one of the most disgusting and hateful groups out there.

    BUT laws enacted like this at the state level have been struck down every time as far as I'm aware and it will not likely pass constitutional muster as you are curbing freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

    It is unfortunate that we have assholes like this to deal with in our society but there they are and it is a testament to the freedoms we enjoy in our nations that this hateful, vitriolic douchebaggery is so freely propogated.

    To the members of the Westboro Baptist Church:

    I just feel sorry for you.

    A life spent in hatred is no life lived at all.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I really, really dislike the WBC.

    They are one of the most disgusting and hateful groups out there.

    BUT laws enacted like this at the state level have been struck down every time as far as I'm aware and it will not likely pass constitutional muster as you are curbing freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

    It is unfortunate that we have assholes like this to deal with in our society but there they are and it is a testament to the freedoms we enjoy in our nations that this hateful, vitriolic douchebaggery is so freely propogated.

    To the members of the Westboro Baptist Church:

    I just feel sorry for you.

    A life spent in hatred is no life lived at all.
    And it may get struck down again, we'll see. I believe they they have the right to protest and be the assholes they are, but doing so as they have been is interefering with others wo have the right to bury their dead in peace. If you can't scream fire in a crowded building, you shouldn't be able to harass gieveing families. If this law said they coouldn't speak or protest, as much aas it would hurt me, I'd defend them. That isn't what it says.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I really, really dislike the WBC.

    They are one of the most disgusting and hateful groups out there.

    BUT laws enacted like this at the state level have been struck down every time as far as I'm aware and it will not likely pass constitutional muster as you are curbing freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

    It is unfortunate that we have assholes like this to deal with in our society but there they are and it is a testament to the freedoms we enjoy in our nations that this hateful, vitriolic douchebaggery is so freely propogated.

    To the members of the Westboro Baptist Church:

    I just feel sorry for you.

    A life spent in hatred is no life lived at all.

    Westboro has served a good purpose...and that is that it universely brought most ALL people together to focus contempt on them. This isnt a left or right thing...its not a black and white thing...its not a gay or straight thing...its a these are just a group of hateful scumbags thing.
    Their having free speech in itself is not the problem...the problem is they deeply hurt people that have suffered a loss for no reason. To me thats not freedom of speech. I do not advocate violence towards them....but im just amazed there hasnt been any deadly force used on them..

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