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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen View Post
    And at 300 feet away, they can protest till their lungs hurt.
    300 feet and 4 hours. It's not reasonable in the least. This law is specifically aimed at eliminating a particular protest. Government force cannot be used in this way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen View Post
    The rights of those paying respects to the dead. At what point to we say enough? If you go to a public square to hear a speaker, and find the topic offensive, you can leave. But in a setting where you have certain expectations of privacy (which you paid for) and that public speaker invades your space?
    Where does it stop? Do they have a right to come to your home and do the same, as long as they stay on public property? Where do the rights of those to express themselves stop and the rights of those who don't want to hear/see it start?
    That is the crux of the matter. The difficulty arises in who gets to decide what is "offensive" and when. By designating only veteran's mourners as special, or "super citizens" that command exclusive 300' buffer zones free from "undesired" speach, what of other funerals? What of other people sensitive to certain topics? Is it any less "offensive" to have a crowd of jeering morons accost you on your way to/from work because they may view your very job as "immoral"? What of shop owners that lose an entire day (or more) of sales because protesters blocked their customer's access, are they not harmed as well by the crowds that riot or protest in their fixed locations?
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think I could do that at a funeral you're attending and I'll just watch you walk away.
    ...if you don't mind dying a horrible slow and painful death.

    Though it is interesting to see your reaction to freedom.....murder.
    You are proving the WBC is right that America is evil, because you people tolerate evil.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by EyesWideOpen View Post
    Agreed. As much as the Skokie example is true, however people can evade the protest.
    Expectations of privacy at a Funeral Home, private home, Cemetery are different from expectations on a city street
    Well as far as i know is that Westboro just sticks to the streets outside the cemetery


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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    ...if you don't mind dying a horrible slow and painful death.
    I won't mind watching you not do anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    You are proving the WBC is right that America is evil, because you people tolerate evil.
    I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic here.....
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

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    Illinois Nazis, I hate Illinois Nazis.
    Nazis suck
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    People protesting a funreal have every right to. As ****ed up as it sounds they have the right to use public space to protest whatever ****ed up **** they believe in. Just as neo-nazis have the right to march through a town that has a good amount of jews in it like in Skokie, Illinois.
    No, I don't believe they do. These are not politiicans. They have no public position. They run for no office. They are private citizens entitled to a private funeral. Nothing about burying your loved one is open to public redicule why you try and do it. I support free speech and the right to protest. But we hurt that cause when we say people don't have the right to bury their loved ones in peace.

    By the way, Nazis have to get a permit, and there are limits on what they can do as well. The police will shut them down.

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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

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    Nazis suck
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    Last edited by Ikari; 08-11-12 at 01:36 AM.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I won't mind watching you not do anything.
    You show up trolling a funeral I'm attending, I will kill you. (If it's family)

    If it's a funeral about someone I really don't care about then I might just let it pass, but I'd cheer on someone that would go after you and try to block the police from stopping them.
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    Re: Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Fu

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I don't believe they do. These are not politiicans. They have no public position. They run for no office. They are private citizens entitled to a private funeral. Nothing about burying your loved one is open to public redicule why you try and do it. I support free speech and the right to protest. But we hurt that cause when we say people don't have the right to bury their loved ones in peace.
    I don't see why you should be protected from ridicule where ever you might be. Its obvious all you are really doing is putting feelings over rights. Speech is a right and there is no restrictions on it based on your hurt little feelings.

    By the way, Nazis have to get a permit, and there are limits on what they can do as well. The police will shut them down.
    And that is fine with you?
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