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    White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    One more thing the government should stay out of.

    White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility | The Daily Caller
    The White House has left open the possibility of enacting its Internet agenda via executive order after the failed effort to bring the Democrat-supported cybersecurity bill to a full vote in the Senate last week.
    In response to a question from The Hill, a Washington, D.C. political newspaper, about whether President Obama was considering advancing his party’s cyber-plan through an executive order, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney didn’t rule out the possibility.
    “In the wake of Congressional inaction and Republican stall tactics, unfortunately, we will continue to be hamstrung by outdated and inadequate statutory authorities that the legislation would have fixed,” he said via email.
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    I don't get what this means:

    The failed cyber security bill, which could be revived by Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid when the Senate comes back from recess in September, would have given federal agencies in charge of regulating critical infrastructure industries like power companies and utilities the ability to mandate cybersecurity recommendations.
    Is the bill written in such a way that these federal agencies could enforce any sort of security measure they saw fit across the entire scope of the internet (i.e. requiring WEP 32-character encrypted passcodes for all online accounts, or specific fire wall settings, or disallowing port forwarding, etc)? Or these agencies would only mandate stuff in relation to their operations?
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    I honestly have no problem with it. There are those who see politically motivated censorship to shut down website like Drudge in this. I don't I see this a purely a national security measure. Iran for example would love to hack into our communications systems and wreak havoc just before missiles start flying to bring back the 12th Imam. I'm having trouble finding it right now but I recall China was already busted with a malicious trojan installed on American computer networks, which if I recall could shut down electricity or water all over north America. When will people see that the President takes national security seriously?
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    One more thing the government should stay out of.

    White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility | The Daily Caller
    The White House has left open the possibility of enacting its Internet agenda via executive order after the failed effort to bring the Democrat-supported cybersecurity bill to a full vote in the Senate last week.
    In response to a question from The Hill, a Washington, D.C. political newspaper, about whether President Obama was considering advancing his party’s cyber-plan through an executive order, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney didn’t rule out the possibility.
    “In the wake of Congressional inaction and Republican stall tactics, unfortunately, we will continue to be hamstrung by outdated and inadequate statutory authorities that the legislation would have fixed,” he said via email.
    It is passed time for Congress to consider the powers of the president as they relate to Executive Orders. That's just "a way around the people," in my opinion.
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is passed time for Congress to consider the powers of the president as they relate to Executive Orders. That's just "a way around the people," in my opinion.
    And if he did this via EO, it wouldn't be the first time he has gone around congress in such a manner. Purely against the entire structure of the separation of powers.
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And if he did this via EO, it wouldn't be the first time he has gone around congress in such a manner. Purely against the entire structure of the separation of powers.
    In fairness, Bush did the same thing, though not to the same extent:

    Bush -- 63 Executive Orders in 8 years, 12 of them having to do with 9/11
    Obama -- 61 Executive Orders in less than half that amount of time.

    Interesting.

    List of United States federal executive orders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In fairness, Bush did the same thing, though not to the same extent:

    Bush -- 63 Executive Orders in 8 years, 12 of them having to do with 9/11
    Obama -- 61 Executive Orders in less than half that amount of time.

    Interesting.

    List of United States federal executive orders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thanks for the honesty.


    I don't like Executive Orders and don't think the founders envisioned them. I wish there could be an expedited way Congress could be in on authorizing them in emergencies maybe just key leaders and/or via secure text.
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    The EOs need to stop. I understand the need to allow the president to take action quickly, but we need better limitations. Maybe they should have a 30 day limit in which time congress and senate are required to vote on the measure without filibuster. Failure to vote would be considered a positive vote.

    Just to be clear, this distaste applies to all presidents, not just our current one.
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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Some EOs I see problems with, others I think are ok.

    Any EO that has the effect of a law, establishes regulation or restrictions upon civilians and non-governmental workers/companies or non-federal agencies, or are in conflict with existing law as passed by congress are bad EOs.

    EOs that clarify policy and procedures for offices under control of the Executive Branch and structures the Executive Branch to meet a particular Presidents desires/needs beyond those positions mandated by law and are not in direct conflict with existing law or the Constitution, I do not consider as bad.

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    Re: White House considers executive order, leaves Internet takeover a possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Some EOs I see problems with, others I think are ok.

    Any EO that has the effect of a law, establishes regulation or restrictions upon civilians and non-governmental workers/companies or non-federal agencies, or are in conflict with existing law as passed by congress are bad EOs.

    EOs that clarify policy and procedures for offices under control of the Executive Branch and structures the Executive Branch to meet a particular Presidents desires/needs beyond those positions mandated by law and are not in direct conflict with existing law or the Constitution, I do not consider as bad.
    I would also add: many of the EOs created under both Bush and Obama called for the creation of committees to analyze a specific situation, environment, or issue and return results for consideration. I see nothing wrong with that, either, so long as said committee is not granted powers to enact new policy or law without congressional/senatorial votes.
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