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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Forget the nuance.

    The Supreme Court will rule the limitations constitutional because free speech and protest is already limited because of the policy of "free speech zones" that was instituted during the GWB administration.

    So if the federal government can limit protests to certain areas based on security then the federal government can also limit the timing of protests based on security as well.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

    Several thoughts about this.
    1.)I can see where they are coming from on this and i dislike Westboro just as much as the next person
    2.)But doesnt this block first amendment rights?
    Does it make me a bad person for worrying about their rights?

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    I think it will be overturned by the Supreme Court as similar laws have both at the circuit and supreme courts. I'm a free speech absolutist so I sympathize with your worries.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    The distance limit is probably constitutional, but what does it mean that you can't picket 2 hours before or after? Does it mean that if there's a funeral in Arkansas that I can't protest it in Florida while it's going on?

    And a quibble with something said earlier about free speech zones. the Bush administration may have created the term, but it has always been true that protesters can be prevented from disrupting events.
    Last edited by francois60; 08-05-12 at 08:43 AM.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It does infringe on our free speech rights. But it's really nothing new from what's gone on in the past 12 years.
    Does slander and libel infringe on our free speech rights? Just playing devil's advocate, a little.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Does slander and libel infringe on our free speech rights? Just playing devil's advocate, a little.
    They do substantial harm. That harm is actionable. As far as I know, there can be no prior restraint on libel or slander. You can say it, or publish it, and then you get sued for harming someone.

    Hurting someone's feelings isn't considered substantial harm. Ruining someone's reputation is.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    They do substantial harm. That harm is actionable. As far as I know, there can be no prior restraint on libel or slander. You can say it, or publish it, and then you get sued for harming someone.

    Hurting someone's feelings isn't considered substantial harm. Ruining someone's reputation is.
    Also, the case could be made that none of what the Westboro Baptist Church does is considered libelous or slanderous since what they are doing is a protest against the United States government rather than against private individuals.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Also, is libel or slander actually against the law, or just something you can sue someone for since it causes you damage? As far as I know, the government doesn't indict people for libel or slander.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And this thought process explains how our country veered off track: favoring forms of harassment as a right over the right to not be harassed.

    When did this shift? 1960's?
    There is no Constitutional right not to be harassed. There is a Constitutional right to free speech. Like it or not, these people have every legal, Constitutional right to protest when and where they want. People also have every legal, Constitutional right to protest them. Have a much, much larger, more vocal group show up protesting against the WBC.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

    Several thoughts about this.
    1.)I can see where they are coming from on this and i dislike Westboro just as much as the next person
    2.)But doesnt this block first amendment rights?
    Does it make me a bad person for worrying about their rights?

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    Good to see Congress finally do something right, but the liberals at Westboro won't like it one bit.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    Also, is libel or slander actually against the law, or just something you can sue someone for since it causes you damage? As far as I know, the government doesn't indict people for libel or slander.
    It has to be proven to be done maliciously and with intent of defaming an individual to the point of undoing their career or lifestyle - lies can have rather nasty repercussions that can destroy an individual beyond the point of repair.

    It must be documented and PROVEN that the individual committing the offense INTENDED for serious harm to come.

    So - it doesn't happen all the time, little lies and made up stories aren't necessarily lawsuit material in the making, but people can and do sue for true cases of libel and slander.
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