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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    So awesome to see people piss on the Bill of Rights.
    Funny - I see your attitude to be the equivalent.

    Your view enables people to be hurt and slandered for something they have not done wrong. My view does not. Unless you think telling them to 'move along - just a little bit' is going to hurt them somehow...

    You either believe in freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, or you don't. Congress is explicitly forbidden from doing this in plain English in the document that justifies the existence of a Congress.
    Exactly - so as I see it: you don't...

    Free speech rights aren't there for popular speech. Popular speech doesn't need protection.
    Apparently there's a fine line between undue harassment, slander - and free speech.

    But we're not saying "no - you cannot SAY that" . . . we're saying "you can SAY that . . . just get the **** away from me."
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Funny - I see your attitude to be the equivalent.
    You see my attitude as pissing on the Bill of Rights? No you don't. That doesn't make sense.

    Your view enables people to be hurt and slandered
    Other people have a right to free speech. We do not have a right to not be offended by other people's speech. Other people have a right to peaceably assemble on public property.

    Exactly - so as I see it: you don't...
    There is no way in which this response of yours makes one damn lick of sense.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You see my attitude as pissing on the Bill of Rights? No you don't. That doesn't make sense.



    Other people have a right to free speech. We do not have a right to not be offended by other people's speech. Other people have a right to peaceably assemble on public property.



    There is no way in which this response of yours makes one damn lick of sense.
    You don't get it: no one is saying "you are not allowed to SAY that" . . . they just want some distance and peace at a funeral.

    Why is that so egregious to you?

    Why is this unacceptable and distasteful to you?

    Why is the desire to slander and offend more important to you than the desire to honor an ancient tradition and say some final goodbyes with some measure of love and dignity without the family suffering more than they already have for the the choices their deceased loved one made?

    How is that protestable, by the way? Protesting someone's right to join the military - and sacrifice their lives for something they believed was right - and that's something to protest?

    I think it's vile and sick. . . you obviously think it's great and encourageable. I at least believe they should be out of sight.

    I don't think they have anything TO be protesting - protesting the dead . . . by calling them faggots and saying god wanted them dead? How is that worth a **** to protect?

    I think it's beyond F'd up - this newage stoked idea that 'you can say and do whatever you want as long as you call it a protest'
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    I have mixed emotions on this.

    I am absolutely for freedom of speech but it seems there are already restrictions on it. There are plenty of things you could say at the wrong place, time, or to/about the wrong person that could cost you an investigation and/or jail time.

    I see no merit to our society for what the WBC does. Protesting at funerals seems more designed to encite violence, or harass someone who is already going through a great deal. The people at that funeral are not going to pass laws that affect WBC in any way. Why aren't they protesting Washington, where someone actually has the power and ability to address their grievances.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm wondering if the SCOTUS won't strike this down. They've already ruled in favor of WBC once on the premise of free speech. Then again, limiting the time and place of protest has been done on a case-by-case basis in other areas.

    I hope scotus does not...I am amazed quite frankly that a grieving military family member hasnt opened up with an assault rifle on the WBC scum....I believe eventually its inevitable something bad is going to happen.
    Free speech has to have its limits...along with where you can protest...you get a nam vet who feels hes got nothing to lose...ive been expecting it to be honest

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Oh goody, the Phelps in the US Supreme Court building, what a great society.

    And why does the military get special treatment? There should be restrictions for any funeral.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    I am retired military and spent 7 years in the middle east. I grew up in a navy family and have spent the last 9 years working with the Dept of the Army. Ive been to more than a few military funerals. I despise the WBC but am not in favor of this type of legislation. I think as long as they follow the laws of the land with regard to protesting they the same rights as the OWS morons. As long as they follow the laws.

    I think it is inspirational when members of the community enact their own form of protest...against the WBC and in support of the families. Images from such events are far more powerful testimonials to our ability as a people than banning the WBC rights to protest.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

    Several thoughts about this.
    1.)I can see where they are coming from on this and i dislike Westboro just as much as the next person
    2.)But doesnt this block first amendment rights?
    Does it make me a bad person for worrying about their rights?

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    It does infringe on our free speech rights. But it's really nothing new from what's gone on in the past 12 years.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I have a feeling you wouldn't take it so lightly if it was directed at you.
    Just like I'm sure if you're ability so speak on a subject was limited by the government to only being able occur at certain time and places that you'd not take it so lightly

    Due to the safety of politicians, no person can protest 2 hours before or after a politician's speech or rally
    Now personally, I'd like to know what the constitutional standard for something like this. For example, in a recent court case dealing with a state run entity using a church for a state activity, the court explained constitutional standard was to view each case as a unique individual entity ruling based tightly around those given facts. In that particular case, something like this being rule constitutional would not deem that the government has a carte blanche right to determine restrictions on time/place/distance but rather that in the very narrow circumstance of protests regarding military funerals the government has such ability. If the constitutional standard for judging this is that narrow, then I'd have less issue. But if it is broader and sets forth a precedence of allowing the government more power to limit speech based on time/place/distance in a broader way, I'd say it's a bad action.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Just like I'm sure if you're ability so speak on a subject was limited by the government to only being able occur at certain time and places that you'd not take it so lightly



    Now personally, I'd like to know what the constitutional standard for something like this. For example, in a recent court case dealing with a state run entity using a church for a state activity, the court explained constitutional standard was to view each case as a unique individual entity ruling based tightly around those given facts. In that particular case, something like this being rule constitutional would not deem that the government has a carte blanche right to determine restrictions on time/place/distance but rather that in the very narrow circumstance of protests regarding military funerals the government has such ability. If the constitutional standard for judging this is that narrow, then I'd have less issue. But if it is broader and sets forth a precedence of allowing the government more power to limit speech based on time/place/distance in a broader way, I'd say it's a bad action.
    Forget the nuance.

    The Supreme Court will rule the limitations constitutional because free speech and protest is already limited because of the policy of "free speech zones" that was instituted during the GWB administration.

    So if the federal government can limit protests to certain areas based on security then the federal government can also limit the timing of protests based on security as well.

    I love the smell of incrementalization in the morning...
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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