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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    ...and before you know it, we're the UK.
    Yep. You may speak only in the approved zones, during the approved hours.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And this thought process explains how our country veered off track: favoring forms of harassment as a right over the right to not be harassed.

    When did this shift? 1960's?
    I completely agree with this. Who's rights are we to protect? I know! Let's protect the ***holes!

    We've got plenty of laws on the books that, if challenged, would probably be found unconstitutional. This sounds like it is specifically about military funerals. If we can't protect our fallen soldiers and their families, this isn't the USA.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    If by harassment you mean speaking freely while standing on public property (or private property, with permission), there is no such thing as a right not to be harassed.
    I have a feeling you wouldn't take it so lightly if it was directed at you.

    Regardless: government DOES retain the right to define and control means of acceptable 'protest.' - using 'protest' liberally, here.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    I appreciate the sentiment behind it but I am not in favor of such legislation and my guess is it will eventually make it to SCOTUS. First, is this really a big enough issue to pass a law over? There is just one sh!tty family out there that does this and it is to the point now that when it happens other people and organizations block them anyway. Everyone knows who the WBBC are and that they are universally hated so nobody should take them seriously anyway.

    Second, if you are going to pass such a law why just for veterans? WBBC doesn’t just protest veterans’ funerals. So, they aren’t allowed to protest MY funeral but they can protest my parents’ or my brothers’? WTF?

    As a career member of the military I see such anti-free speech laws as more a slap in the face to my service than anything WBBC could ever do. I feel the same about flag burning. You want to honor those who served? Then keep your hands off the very document we swore to defend. Sounds cheesy, but that is how I feel.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. You may speak only in the approved zones, during the approved hours.
    And they kick out people with "offensive speech". I may hate Micheal Savage, but I would never bar him from entering my country.

    I guess the English need an authority to tell them what kind of speech is good for them.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm wondering if the SCOTUS won't strike this down. They've already ruled in favor of WBC once on the premise of free speech. Then again, limiting the time and place of protest has been done on a case-by-case basis in other areas.
    Indeed, this seems like a perfectly reasonable time/place/manner restriction, which is entirely constitutional. Protesters aren't being stopped from espousing their views, nor from expressing them. Just not right there, right then, and in that exact way. I think this would pass constitutional muster without much trouble.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    There is a time and a place for everything, and at a funeral is no time for a protest. There can be limits on free speech, just like limits on private gun ownership. You can't own a machine gun without a permit, that's been the law since the 1930's (to stop Bonnie and Clyde outlaws), and its a good law IMO. I applaud congress on this.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    I would picket westboro funerals...but honestly they are such a miniscule version...and not worth me losing touch with Christ over.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    No, sorry Westboro

    Being a d-bag is NOT your constitutional right

    Seriously? Why does anyone have a problem with this? Ooohhh it's "unconstitutional"!

    You don't have the right to cause other people emotional trauma, and that's that.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    So awesome to see people piss on the Bill of Rights.

    You either believe in freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, or you don't. Congress is explicitly forbidden from doing this in plain English in the document that justifies the existence of a Congress.

    Free speech rights aren't there for popular speech. Popular speech doesn't need protection.

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