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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm wondering if the SCOTUS won't strike this down. They've already ruled in favor of WBC once on the premise of free speech. Then again, limiting the time and place of protest has been done on a case-by-case basis in other areas.
    But if you can protect "grieving people" why not "sleeping babies" or "sensitive people" in general. It is a VERY slippery slope here, as who gets to DECIDE the cases to be offered "hassle" protection? After all it matters not if it is LATER ruled unconstitutional as the protest or speach was ALREADY DENIED by the time it can get to court.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

    Several thoughts about this.
    1.)I can see where they are coming from on this and i dislike Westboro just as much as the next person
    2.)But doesnt this block first amendment rights?
    Does it make me a bad person for worrying about their rights?

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    If someone were to challenge its constitutionality, it might be ruled unconstitutional. Let's hope the ACLU is busy doing other things. Who else would challenge it even if it does abridge a scumbaggy rights?

    I'm glad for it.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But if you can protect "grieving people" why not "sleeping babies" or "sensitive people" in general. It is a VERY slippery slope here, as who gets to DECIDE the cases to be offered "hassle" protection? After all it matters not if it is LATER ruled unconstitutional as the protest or speach was ALREADY DENIED by the time it can get to court.
    Well, in relation to the sleeping baby thing there are noise ordinances that limit the volume and quantity of noise in general and during specific times...
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If someone were to challenge its constitutionality, it might be ruled unconstitutional. Let's hope the ACLU is busy doing other things. Who else would challenge it even if it does abridge a scumbaggy rights?

    I'm glad for it.
    I hope the ACLU challenges the case. Free speech applies to everyone, even these ****s.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If someone were to challenge its constitutionality, it might be ruled unconstitutional.
    Ruled or not, it's unconstitutional. Plain English is plain English.

    Strong disapproval.

    Besides, it's not like this is a widespread practice. There's one group of real life trolls that do this, and they do this to get attention and sue folks who attack them. This is frankly beneath Congress.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Ruled or not, it's unconstitutional. Plain English is plain English.
    And this thought process explains how our country veered off track: favoring forms of harassment as a right over the right to not be harassed.

    When did this shift? 1960's?
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    If by harassment you mean speaking freely while standing on public property (or private property, with permission), there is no such thing as a right not to be harassed.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This is how it STARTS, first we restrict IN ADVANCE all free speech to "protect the FUNERAL rights for veterans" for no stated reason; if that passes constitutional muster, then we have established a precedent to enact TIME and PLACE restrictions on free speech, so what is next? Once you have time and place "free speech" restrictions then simply start adding to them at federal, state, county and city levels for every CONCEIVABLE group and function citing the precedent of these "good and just" FEDERAL free speech restrictions. Yes they can!
    ...and before you know it, we're the UK.

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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

    Several thoughts about this.
    1.)I can see where they are coming from on this and i dislike Westboro just as much as the next person
    2.)But doesnt this block first amendment rights?
    Does it make me a bad person for worrying about their rights?

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    Technically speaking, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is against 1st amendment rights, but they made laws against that kind of behavior because it puts people at risk.

    This is an exception to free speech that I think very few people will oppose due to the emotional harm it can put people through.
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    Re: Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westb

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Well, in relation to the sleeping baby thing there are noise ordinances that limit the volume and quantity of noise in general and during specific times...
    True but that is for ALL people during those times not for specific events. The setting of this precedent, if upheld, opens the doors to all manner of restrictions, that EACH must be challenged in court well after the fact. I see too much potential for VERY selective yet VERY fequent use of these "temporary" yet well defined protest bans to stop ALL protests except those that favor those "in charge". Simply require "advance notice" for a parade permit sufficient to pass a temporary ban act and then ALL protests may be selectively banned.
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