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    Quote Originally Posted by goldentoad View Post
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    I wonder how many Gay and Lesbian couples are Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, and Moderates who normally vote Republican (Conservative)? Would any of those people consider switching sides due to the new Democratic Party plank?

    Could the African-American Bible thumper crew already be voting Republican and just want to make some noise?

    Who's the bigger group?

    I don't know myself, but I'll guarantee you that it's been heavily researched by the Democratic Party prior to making this announcement.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Those who are hoping that historical opposition in the African-American community to SSM may be strong enough to take down the President's re-election bid just might be wrong.

    After President Obama’s announcement, opposition to same-sex marriage hits record low
    Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, hitting a high mark in support while showing a dramatic turnaround from just six years ago, when just 36 percent thought it should be legal. Thirty-nine percent, a new low, say gay marriage should be illegal.

    The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter.
    The NAACP has endorsed SSM. At the convention this year, protests by the Coalition of African-American Pastors brought some of the first news stories that mentioned the CAAP. Prior to the convention, the CAAP does not appear to have done very much that was newsworthy.

    Ben Jealous, President of the NAACP
    ... said in June that the civil rights group's board, which has 64 members, was overwhelmingly in favor of the measure.

    "If you go to the board, you'll see a lot of religious leaders," Jealous told The Huffington Post last month. "All of the religious leaders on our board, except for one, were for marriage equality."

    "What you've seen in the black community in the wake of Obama's decision and then ours is that people actually stop and think about it intensely and in clear terms about what are the rights of religions versus the responsibilities of government,"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Answering a poll question doesn't necessarily translate into a motivated voter. A majority of poll respondents may well support SSM when asked, but how many are interested enough in the issue to vote on it? SSM has been consistently defeated when put to a statewide vote so far.

    Presidential elections belong to those who have the most motivated voters. In our closely divided partisan nation, a few hundred votes in a few key districts can make the difference between the White House and a concession speech.

    I assure you that Obama's strategists are taking the CAAP seriously.


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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Answering a poll question doesn't necessarily translate into a motivated voter. A majority of poll respondents may well support SSM when asked, but how many are interested enough in the issue to vote on it? SSM has been consistently defeated when put to a statewide vote so far.


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    The question posed could well be re-phrased as follows: poll respondents may well support or oppose SSM when asked, but how many are interested enough in this single issue to change who they vote for President?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The question posed could well be re-phrased as follows: poll respondents may well support or oppose SSM when asked, but how many are interested enough in this single issue to change who they vote for President?
    Probably not very many, and the ones who are adamantly, fervently against gay marriage are the same ones who wouldn't vote for a Democrat if he were running against Beelzebub.

    Gay marriage is just not a big issue. Moreover, it is not a federal issue at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Good for the black pastors. I have anecdotally observed that black folk in the south are more religiously observant and faithful than the white folks, and its spurred me to be more observant of my faith rituals. All Christians should follow their example and publicly affirm traditional marriage and oppose SSM.


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    It's funny how recent studies of shown that homosexuals, stay together longer than heterosexuals. Kids are less likely to be abused with a gay couple, they are more happier. Hell, some gay-couples are better parents, than most straight couples, but I fail to see the logic in fighting SSM. You want homosexuals to be miserable and not marry, because you don't believe in it, because your "God" says, its wrong. I have news to, we weren't founded on Christanity, it was the opposite. Our founding fathers stresses FREEDOM OF RELIGION. So, last time I checked our President ran this country along with the senate and a supreme court, not any type of gods or goddess.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Links to those studies please?

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Links to those studies please?
    I went tthrew my history here is one.

    Kids with Lesbian Parents May Do Better Than Their Peers - TIME
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Links to those studies please?
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