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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Obviously, there is no limit.

    Just load up the platform on issues that really don't matter, but that bring an emotional response from the electorate, then ignore the real issues that government needs to address. Those are just too controversial, and there are no easy answers to any of them anyway.
    For a lot of people it does really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You've completely avoided my question. As a Christian I currently believe that the Bible states that homosexuality is sinful. However, I don't believe in forcing that belief on others by saying because I think they are sinning that they can't get married. Re-read my post and address the questions I've asked. If you're going to legislate on the grounds of "The Bible says it's wrong" when why allow other sexual sins, like pre-marital sex, adultery and rampant divorce for pretty much any reason?
    It is one thing to have no law making a sinful act illegal, it is another to give a state imprimatur to such acts.

    And I think the slow slouch towards SSM began with no fault divorce. If the government is going to be in the business of officially sanctioning human relationships, there ought to be well defined ground rules.


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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    It is one thing to have no law making a sinful act illegal, it is another to give a state imprimatur to such acts.

    And I think the slow slouch towards SSM began with no fault divorce. If the government is going to be in the business of officially sanctioning human relationships, there ought to be well defined ground rules.


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    Government is not in the business of deciding what is sinful, they are in the business of assuring equal rights to every citizen, period. What you deem a sin and what I deem a sin are quite different.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Government is not in the business of deciding what is sinful, they are in the business of assuring equal rights to every citizen, period. What you deem a sin and what I deem a sin are quite different.
    Polygamy, prostitution and recreational drug use? Many things are not legal ONLY because of "morals" or religious reasons. Gov't MUST be in the business of defining limits and we have allowed the majority to do just that - as long as no constituional rights are violated. You may LIKE the limit of two partners in marriage and I may like the limit of them being of opposite genders, but the law is still the law us neither SSM nor polygamy is a right.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Polygamy, prostitution and recreational drug use? Many things are not legal ONLY because of "morals" or religious reasons. Gov't MUST be in the business of defining limits and we have allowed the majority to do just that - as long as no constituional rights are violated. You may LIKE the limit of two partners in marriage and I may like the limit of them being of opposite genders, but the law is still the law us neither SSM nor polygamy is a right.
    There does have to be good cause...generally general welfare...in order to restrict rights. If you can come up with a good reason that society is protected from two gay guys getting gay married THEN you can compare it to prostitution or drug use.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs



    About time. It has been embarrassing that my party has been so slow on this. At least one of the political parties is trying to enter the 21st century.
    Are they making and actual plan here, or is this just political posturing? I'd expect the latter.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Good for the black pastors. I have anecdotally observed that black folk in the south are more religiously observant and faithful than the white folks, and its spurred me to be more observant of my faith rituals. All Christians should follow their example and publicly affirm traditional marriage and oppose SSM.


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    Yes, the black pastors is an example of religion being misused to justify personal fears and insecurities.

    The pastors could learn something from the play/film Inherit the Wind.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

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    About time. It has been embarrassing that my party has been so slow on this. At least one of the political parties is trying to enter the 21st century.
    This is great news for Republicans and Romney.......It is a clear distinction bewtween the 2 parties.........The dems are trolling for the gay vote again (which they already have) and I believe that a lot of democrats with traditional values might vote for Romney because of this issue.........
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Yes, the black pastors is an example of religion being misused to justify personal fears and insecurities.

    The pastors could learn something from the play/film Inherit the Wind.
    And of course when Sharpton or Jackson solicitt black votes from the pulpit in black churches you have no problem with that
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    I'm sure you feel the same way about segregation......

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