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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So DOMA does not exist? SInce it does, aspects of SSM are very much a federal issue.
    DOMA has repeatedly been struck down by the courts (at least 6 times) and will likely die when it reaches the SCOTUS since marriage is a state contract law issue, not an individual right or a federal power.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You where unaware that the democratic party does not all have one exact view? That is why we vote on the party platform....
    Will opposition testimony against the plank be permitted before the full platform committee votes in August? If so, who has been invited to speak?

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    How many topics can you think of that have the potential to splinter a party's base?
    By "have the potential" do you mean "I'm blowing this out of proportion"? Because then I would understand where you're coming from. Political parties take a stand on issues. Some agree some don't. You pick the political party that agrees with you on you're biggest issues or the most issues and vote. This isn't going to sway a significant amount of voters away, and will help to invigorate the base. It's good policy, and good politics.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You beat me to it.

    Marriage is not a federal issue. The whole gay marriage issue at the federal level is just a way to gain political points without actually addressing any of the real issues that the feds should be taking care of:

    the economy
    illegal immigration
    Iraq and Afganistan
    that pesky budget imbalance

    among others.
    Regardless, it's still good to have it on the platform, if only to help push democrats running in local elections to that side of the debate and encourage people with that view to run in local elections.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    By "have the potential" do you mean "I'm blowing this out of proportion"? Because then I would understand where you're coming from. Political parties take a stand on issues. Some agree some don't. You pick the political party that agrees with you on you're biggest issues or the most issues and vote. This isn't going to sway a significant amount of voters away, and will help to invigorate the base. It's good policy, and good politics.
    I provided a link earlier to opposition to the plank and Obama's endorsement of SSM by the Coalition of African American Pastors. Not only are they upset about the plank and Obama's evolution on homosexual marraige but also the fact that he has refused to meet with them to discuss their concerns. Obviously this issue is very important to them. It doesn't have to sway a "significant" amount of voters away. There are about a dozen states that are going to decide the election. If this issue depresses Obama's support among blacks who still poll heavily against SSM, it could definitely matter in a state like PA, which is basically conservative outside of the Philadelphia area. If Obama doesn't get the overwhelming support in Philadelphia from his black base he cannot win the state. In North Carolina this will definitely hurt him.

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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    If you seriously think you can rectify SSM with Christianity digsbe, all I can say is "good luck". I am sure the black pastors would agree.


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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Regardless, it's still good to have it on the platform, if only to help push democrats running in local elections to that side of the debate and encourage people with that view to run in local elections.
    There are quite a few democratic Senate candidates that are not happy to see this plank.

    Senate Democrats facing difficult reelections are breaking with President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, a sign the issue is politically dangerous in battleground states.

    Sens. Jon Tester (Mont.) and Claire McCaskill (Mo.), the two most vulnerable Democratic senators, have declined to endorse Obama’s call for the legalization of gay marriage.

    Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Bob Casey (Pa.) and Bill Nelson (Fla.), Democrats who have easier races but in states that could become more competitive by November, have also backed away from Obama’s stance
    Vulnerable Democratic senators balk at Obama's gay marriage endorsement - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You beat me to it.

    Marriage is not a federal issue. The whole gay marriage issue at the federal level is just a way to gain political points without actually addressing any of the real issues that the feds should be taking care of:

    the economy
    illegal immigration
    Iraq and Afganistan
    that pesky budget imbalance

    among others.
    Can you tell us what the limit is on items on a party platform?
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can you tell us what the limit is on items on a party platform?
    Obviously, there is no limit.

    Just load up the platform on issues that really don't matter, but that bring an emotional response from the electorate, then ignore the real issues that government needs to address. Those are just too controversial, and there are no easy answers to any of them anyway.
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    Re: Dems approve draft of same-sex marriage plank for convention platform

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You beat me to it.

    Marriage is not a federal issue. The whole gay marriage issue at the federal level is just a way to gain political points without actually addressing any of the real issues that the feds should be taking care of:

    the economy
    illegal immigration
    Iraq and Afganistan
    that pesky budget imbalance

    among others.
    Obama has no intention to help gays wed. He's already said its a States rights issue. Just another ploy to get votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Please do it, please. You all may not like it, but gay marriage gets defeated in blue states as well. That means it's also dems and independents voting against it. They feel strongly enough about the issue to buck party.

    Stupid move before the election. This may act as a third party sapper would.
    Even California voters voted it down.
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