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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What did your children ever do to you that you will pass on to them bills that you refuse to pay yourself?

    That is the sort of height of blatant irresponsibility that is inexcusable.

    Without significant tax increases how do you intend to pay the deficit? Or don't you?

    After you comes the deluge it would seem.
    given your well known love affair for the death tax and your desire to expand it to take a cut of every dollar a wealthy person leaves, you talking about heirs and children is pretty funny

    and its big government fans like you who fuel the deficit=not me

    what is irresponsible are dem pimps who spend more and more and more to buy the votes of their minions and yet demand that a small minority be saddled with paying for all of that crap

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    given your well known love affair for the death tax and your desire to expand it to take a cut of every dollar a wealthy person leaves, you talking about heirs and children is pretty funny
    Never
    ever
    even one time
    have you ever been able to tell us when the death of one single American was taxed without a large transfer of wealth.

    WILL THIS BE THE TIME???????


    I guess that is just question one.

    Question two is did you cure cancer today.

    Question three is did you find out who killed Jimmy Hoffa?

    And you continued to limp impotently in telling us how YOU would fix the deficit problem. I was right - you simply don't give a damn unless it involves your own taxes or your own guns. Otherwise its screw everybody else and pass the caviar.
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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Never
    ever
    even one time
    have you ever been able to tell us when the death of one single American was taxed without a large transfer of wealth.

    WILL THIS BE THE TIME???????


    I guess that is just question one.

    Question two is did you cure cancer today.

    Question three is did you find out who killed Jimmy Hoffa?
    NOte the love affair

    death starts the death tax rolling

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOte the love affair

    death starts the death tax rolling
    You seemed to have missed dealing with what was posed to you. Most likely that is due to your own inability to do anything but paint yourself deeper into a corner.

    Never
    ever
    even one time
    have you ever been able to tell us when the death of one single American was taxed without a large transfer of wealth.


    WILL THIS BE THE TIME???????


    I guess that is just question one.

    Question two is did you cure cancer today.

    Question three is did you find out who killed Jimmy Hoffa?

    Somebody could say truthfully that death starts with life itself. So maybe its a LIFE TAX.

    It is the transfer of wealth that is taxed. You know it darn well.
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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seemed to have missed dealing with what was posed to you. Most likely that is due to your own inability to do anything but paint yourself deeper into a corner.

    Never
    ever
    even one time
    have you ever been able to tell us when the death of one single American was taxed without a large transfer of wealth.


    WILL THIS BE THE TIME???????


    I guess that is just question one.

    Question two is did you cure cancer today.

    Question three is did you find out who killed Jimmy Hoffa?

    Somebody could say truthfully that death starts with life itself. So maybe its a LIFE TAX.

    It is the transfer of wealth that is taxed. You know it darn well.
    ah another tantrum post with that idiotic large font

    and I have never said death is taxed-I call it a death tax (as does MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND THE IRS) because DEATH IS THE EVENT THAT CAUSES THE TAX To be applied

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ah another tantrum post with that idiotic large font

    and I have never said death is taxed-I call it a death tax (as does MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND THE IRS) because DEATH IS THE EVENT THAT CAUSES THE TAX To be applied
    LIES.

    Some 2,400,000 Americans will die this year. A teeny tiny little portion of them will be hit by inheritance or estate taxes. So 99% do not pay this tax and 1% do. You want to define something NOT by the more than 99% but by the less than 1 %.

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brief...e/how-many.cfm

    Roughly 33,500 estates filed returns in 2009 but fewer than half—only 14,700—of those estates had to pay any estate tax at all.
    That is LESS than 1% of Americans who died during the same year.

    There is the blatant absurdity and intellectual fraud of your position.
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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ah another tantrum post with that idiotic large font

    and I have never said death is taxed-I call it a death tax (as does MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND THE IRS) because DEATH IS THE EVENT THAT CAUSES THE TAX To be applied
    Lies. The IRS calls it the estate tax.

    Death is not the event that causes the tax, the transfer of large sums of wealth is the event that triggers the tax. If a person dies, but leaves the money to charity or has no heirs or has a smaller fortune than is required to trigger the estate tax, there is no tax applied. It is only applied if they transfer a large sum of wealth. And, of course, any time somebody transfers a large sum of wealth there are taxes involved. The estate tax is a tax break, not an additional tax. Without the estate tax, the gift tax would hit inheritances over $13k. The estate tax creates an exception for estates up to $5 million in value. It exempts all but the transfers of large fortunes from taxation.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    LIES.

    Some 2,400,000 Americans will die this year. A teeny tiny little portion of them will be hit by inheritance or estate taxes. So 99% do not pay this tax and 1% do. You want to define something NOT by the more than 99% but by the less than 1 %.

    How many people pay the estate tax?



    That is LESS than 1% of Americans who died during the same year.

    There is the blatant absurdity and intellectual fraud of your position.
    unfairness is not rendered fair by the number of victims.

    and its a surcharge on those who pay the most taxes to start with

    the death tax might have some merit if it was levied on those who didn't pay much federal taxes when they were alive

    you justify it because you aren't affected by it and you believe the government needs more and more and more and more money from others

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Lies. The IRS calls it the estate tax.

    Death is not the event that causes the tax, the transfer of large sums of wealth is the event that triggers the tax. If a person dies, but leaves the money to charity or has no heirs or has a smaller fortune than is required to trigger the estate tax, there is no tax applied. It is only applied if they transfer a large sum of wealth. And, of course, any time somebody transfers a large sum of wealth there are taxes involved. The estate tax is a tax break, not an additional tax. Without the estate tax, the gift tax would hit inheritances over $13k. The estate tax creates an exception for estates up to $5 million in value. It exempts all but the transfers of large fortunes from taxation.
    they call state estate taxes death taxdes

    If I transfer large quantities of wealth long before I die that is covered by GIFT TAXES



    your party wants the death tax to take 55% of every dollar over 1 million



    why should only the rich be hit with this tax? when they already pay so much more federal taxes than others

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    Re: Showdown over Bush tax cuts Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unfairness is not rendered fair by the number of victims.

    and its a surcharge on those who pay the most taxes to start with

    the death tax might have some merit if it was levied on those who didn't pay much federal taxes when they were alive

    you justify it because you aren't affected by it and you believe the government needs more and more and more and more money from others
    FAIR or UNFAIR has no meaning on the issue of taxes. It is a fools game to pretend otherwise.

    The fact that 99% of Americans who die this year WILL NOT PAY what you call the DEATH TAX shows the utter folly of your use of that stupid term.
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