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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    how about collective conscience? collective christian charity for your fellow man?

    trust me, I don't like slackers, the stupid, the lazy....but there are some among us who are disadvantaged by nature, some who aren't smart enough to hide when the rich/powerful/greedy come around to take what little they have.
    You feel no obligation to them?
    I do feel a responsibility to help the very old, the very sick, and the very young. Also those who have served our country.

    But I don't understand who you're talking about when you describe "disadvantaged by nature" as in "not smart enough to hide." I don't understand why I should support those who have babies to play the system/avoid work. I don't understand folks who are able-bodied who sit around all day long and refuse to work/think those who do are chumps. Or those who are here illegally being on the welfare rolls.

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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I do feel a responsibility to help the very old, the very sick, and the very young. Also those who have served our country.

    But I don't understand who you're talking about when you describe "disadvantaged by nature" as in "not smart enough to hide." I don't understand why I should support those who have babies to play the system/avoid work. I don't understand folks who are able-bodied who sit around all day long and refuse to work/think those who do are chumps. Or those who are here illegally being on the welfare rolls.

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    disadvantaged by nature can be slow learners, like 2 of my siblings that both failed 3rd grade, both had a hard time with math, starting with fractions, both had learning issues related to reading...
    and in the time and place I grew up, having dark skin meant you were disadvantaged, not by nature, but by the racist attitudes of whites. Society can be a royal bitch when it collectively decides to discriminate against another group.
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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    how about collective conscience? collective christian charity for your fellow man?

    trust me, I don't like slackers, the stupid, the lazy....but there are some among us who are disadvantaged by nature, some who aren't smart enough to hide when the rich/powerful/greedy come around to take what little they have.
    You feel no obligation to them?
    That's voluntary, not mandatory. The point is to evaluate the character of people you believe in.

    Don't bother with the Social Gospel guilt trip. I see right through that as an excuse to make responsible people take care of the irresponsible.

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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    When you're talking about learning disabilities, society may have failed to identify learning disabilities, but did it actually discriminate? In any society are there are going to be those who naturally have more ability than others (by whatever definition that society defines--e.g. spear-throwing or weaving)? If the answer is "yes," and it is, should society "even" things out by taking away opportunity from those who "can" in favor of those who "can't"?

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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    When you're talking about learning disabilities, society may have failed to identify learning disabilities, but did it actually discriminate? In any society are there are going to be those who naturally have more ability than others (by whatever definition that society defines--e.g. spear-throwing or weaving)? If the answer is "yes," and it is, should society "even" things out by taking away opportunity from those who "can" in favor of those who "can't"?
    so if you have a child with a learning disability such that he will never make more than minimum wage, if that, then what? will you refuse help from society?
    the discrimination issue is not the same as learning disabilities, it is racism that has been reduced in the last 50 years, but by no means eliminated. Do we let children starve because their parents are "colored"?
    you will never read any of my posts saying "even things out"....
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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so if you have a child with a learning disability such that he will never make more than minimum wage, if that, then what? will you refuse help from society?
    the discrimination issue is not the same as learning disabilities, it is racism that has been reduced in the last 50 years, but by no means eliminated. Do we let children starve because their parents are "colored"?
    Not sure if I'm reading you right, but I certainly support educating and training those who are willing to be educated and trained and to work. Is society required, though, to guarantee that everybody earn above minimum wage? If your skills and abilities limit you to minimum wage, is this bad or wrong? Is there not a place in our society for everybody, and are there not minimum-wage jobs to be done that are necessary to society too?

    As for "discrimination," so long as our brains are human, we are going to recognize, characterize, and distinguish because that's what the human brain does. It recognizes similar/dissimilar, and etc. You can work on dissolving the bonds of kinship (as did the Party in 1984) and all the other human factors including ego and pride, but I don't think there will ever be a human society free of "discrimination" unless we manage to standardize human beings themselves.

    Increasingly, American society is being divided not by the haves/have nots but, rather, but by the works/won't works. No, we don't let babies of color--any color--starve. I would be very happy if every school district provided breakfasts, lunches, and end-of-day snacks for every kid in this country. I'll happily pay my share!

    But that doesn't change the fact that this is 2012, that education is available for all and other resources too. It doesn't explain why just about half of us work while the other half sits their asses. And I don't think skin color is nearly the issue that those who race-bait, particularly those who make a living at doing so, do.

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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Not sure if I'm reading you right, but I certainly support educating and training those who are willing to be educated and trained and to work. Is society required, though, to guarantee that everybody earn above minimum wage? If your skills and abilities limit you to minimum wage, is this bad or wrong? Is there not a place in our society for everybody, and are there not minimum-wage jobs to be done that are necessary to society too?

    As for "discrimination," so long as our brains are human, we are going to recognize, characterize, and distinguish because that's what the human brain does. It recognizes similar/dissimilar, and etc. You can work on dissolving the bonds of kinship (as did the Party in 1984) and all the other human factors including ego and pride, but I don't think there will ever be a human society free of "discrimination" unless we manage to standardize human beings themselves.

    Increasingly, American society is being divided not by the haves/have nots but, rather, but by the works/won't works. No, we don't let babies of color--any color--starve. I would be very happy if every school district provided breakfasts, lunches, and end-of-day snacks for every kid in this country. I'll happily pay my share!

    But that doesn't change the fact that this is 2012, that education is available for all and other resources too. It doesn't explain why just about half of us work while the other half sits their asses. And I don't think skin color is nearly the issue that those who race-bait, particularly those who make a living at doing so, do.
    how do you get HALF of us sitting around? yes, education is available, to all, but sadly too many people fail to take advantage of it, and worse, there are plenty with education who are unemployed because their jobs are being done overseas.

    I am in favor of minimum wage rules, but it has to be an hourly rate for real work, and indexed to the rate that congress makes. Since congress isn't likely to increase MW for ordinary folk, we need to reduce congressional BASE pay considerably, and pay them by the hour, with only 2 weeks paid vacation per year..
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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Politicians must be really bored if they have nothing better to do than feed foreigners.

    Why did we invade Iraq again? We would have been better off taking over Mexico.
    Good plan. We take a census every ten years, using that we should move our southern border south based on the percentage of Mexican population inside the U.S., within a few decades we would then have the Panama Canal back. ;-)
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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Good plan. We take a census every ten years, using that we should move our southern border south based on the percentage of Mexican population inside the U.S., within a few decades we would then have the Panama Canal back. ;-)
    At least we'd collect taxes from them and solve the drug war in a snap.

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    Re: USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so if you have a child with a learning disability such that he will never make more than minimum wage, if that, then what? will you refuse help from society?
    the discrimination issue is not the same as learning disabilities, it is racism that has been reduced in the last 50 years, but by no means eliminated. Do we let children starve because their parents are "colored"?
    you will never read any of my posts saying "even things out"....
    If there are any children starving in the US because of their parents color, it is statistically nominal.
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