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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Simply put, consumers/voters cannot withhold their custom from "bad actors" without this information.

    Corporate donations are not gifts. They are investments. Corporate officers are required by law to maximize profits for their investors. They give money to politicians expecting a return on that investment.
    So? Simply because a politicians stated policy goals are advantageous to a corporation does not make such a matter of corruption.

    So the public can see which corporations are donating to which candidates and use it as another tool through which they can watch and control the government.
    What does that have to do with watching and controlling the government? Often the released information on public contributions are used either in protest of the contributors or as campaign tactics. The actual function of government should be what is scrutinized, not the private entities which choose to support candidates.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    So? Simply because a politicians stated policy goals are advantageous to a corporation does not make such a matter of corruption.
    If government is involved and is unrestrained, you can almost guarantee there is corruption. Do you know why you cannot buy cable ala carte? Why the number of cable companies in any given area is limited? You get one maybe land line cable company, one or two dish services; that's it. The death of competition and the beginning of oligarchy and price fixing was accomplished through government power after cable companies lobbied government for it.

    The government is not an institution to trust, if it can abuse power it WILL abuse power. All government tends towards tyranny.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If government is involved and is unrestrained, you can almost guarantee there is corruption. Do you know why you cannot buy cable ala carte? Why the number of cable companies in any given area is limited? You get one maybe land line cable company, one or two dish services; that's it. The death of competition and the beginning of oligarchy and price fixing was accomplished through government power after cable companies lobbied government for it.

    The government is not an institution to trust, if it can abuse power it WILL abuse power. All government tends towards tyranny.
    Agreed, which is why minimalist government is important, especially in the economic field.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Agreed, which is why minimalist government is important, especially in the economic field.
    It is certainly true. However, in today's age of the corporate state, the individual is going to need more information in order to properly make educated decision to aid in the control of the government. The disclosure of donations is a way to do this, we can see which corporations are donating to who and what legislation said individual is proposing or endorsing. Maybe if more people understood why they can't have ala carte cable, there would be more outrage at the fact that corporations lobbied and donated in order to get a government created and enforced oligarchy complete with package and price setting.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is certainly true. However, in today's age of the corporate state, the individual is going to need more information in order to properly make educated decision to aid in the control of the government. The disclosure of donations is a way to do this, we can see which corporations are donating to who and what legislation said individual is proposing or endorsing. Maybe if more people understood why they can't have ala carte cable, there would be more outrage at the fact that corporations lobbied and donated in order to get a government created and enforced oligarchy complete with package and price setting.
    Eh, I don't know. Most contributions like that are already disclosed. The only things that aren't disclosed are things like third party ads.

    Ala carte cable will be reality pretty soon anyways, with the move toward online media. I personally have Netflix and Amazon Prime. Even so, if there is a show I want to see that's on cable and not available through one of my subscription based services, I can usually buy it for 2 bucks a bit after it is released on a media site. I imagine that in the near future as more and more people do as I have done, major networks will begin hosting their content independent of cable networks.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Eh, I don't know. Most contributions like that are already disclosed. The only things that aren't disclosed are things like third party ads.

    Ala carte cable will be reality pretty soon anyways, with the move toward online media. I personally have Netflix and Amazon Prime. Even so, if there is a show I want to see that's on cable and not available through one of my subscription based services, I can usually buy it for 2 bucks a bit after it is released on a media site. I imagine that in the near future as more and more people do as I have done, major networks will begin hosting their content independent of cable networks.
    We'll see about that. The corporate state is well opposed to free market capitalism and will do what it can to destroy it.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We'll see about that. The corporate state is well opposed to free market capitalism and will do what it can to destroy it.
    But the corporate state came about the "free market"..


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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We'll see about that. The corporate state is well opposed to free market capitalism and will do what it can to destroy it.
    I'm guessing you mean Crapitalism. That is probably my biggest concern, and is also why I feel laws should be universalizable.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But the corporate state came about the "free market"..
    The Corporate State came from the entanglement of the State and Corporate entity. While in free market you will oft realize the emergence of corporations, they are not given the special privilege and State endorsed protectionism that you find in the Corporate State.
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    Re: DISCLOSE Act fails again in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Got to love the comment of that idiot McConnell "nothing less than an effort by the government itself to expose its critics to harassment and intimidation".... no you moron, it is expose who bought you off! The sad thing is he use to be fore such legislation...
    This would be a violation of our right to privacy.

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