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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I do things my way ladies, and if you knew the answer to my question you would know I answered you. What was the actual purpose of minimum wage? Was it actually to assist the poor like its claimed to be? The fact of the matter it was not. It was meant to get blacks out of the workforce because whites were getting pushed out and it did this very well looking at black unemployment before and after the policy. Anyone that believes it for the poor is a sheep.
    then proceed to do your mental masturbation, alone, by yourself....
    you have no answer, so you deflect....
    the answer you gave to your queston has been graded, D-minus is all you get...
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Irrelevant to my point.
    Not to those that understand that the national debt is a function of deficits.

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama

    "Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama, and how much was caused by the financial crisis, the continuation of past policies and other effects? For this analysis, we worked with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to attach a price tag to the legislation passed by Obama and his predecessor. George W. Bush’s major policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion

    Costs of Bush policies 2001 - 2009 = $5.1 trillion

    Cost of Obama's policies 2009 - 2017 = $983 billion"

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not to those that understand that the national debt is a function of deficits.

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama

    "Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama, and how much was caused by the financial crisis,
    The financial crisis did not CAUSE any increase in debt. It was absolutely a decision to incur more debt as a response to the crisis of '08-'09. You might call that decision a good one, I might call it a bad one. The excuse a given government uses for their expenditures is not actually what is responsible for that expenditure. It's still the government that decided to spend it that is responsible.

    For this analysis, we worked with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    The CBPP is notorious for its graphics which paint subjective analyses of events, would-be assumptions, and non-expenditures AS actual literal numerical expenditures. It has about as much credibility budget-wise as Fox News Corp. has news-wise. Hell, I will HAPPILY show you an example of their glorious work (and I know you've seen it before), just promise me to resist the urge to palm clap furiously or salivate all over your button-down:



    It would make my day if you said you finally started to grasp the flaws in this sort of depiction. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The financial crisis did not CAUSE any increase in debt. It was absolutely a decision to incur more debt as a response to the crisis of '08-'09. You might call that decision a good one, I might call it a bad one. The excuse a given government uses for their expenditures is not actually what is responsible for that expenditure. It's still the government that decided to spend it that is responsible.

    You don't know what you are talking about. Of course the recession reduced revenues, which increased deficits. You can pretend that a ledger only has one side but that doesn't make it so.



    The CBPP is notorious for its graphics which paint subjective events, would-be assumptions/analyses, and non-expenditures AS actual literal numerical expenditures. It has about as much credibility budget-wise as Fox News Corp. has news-wise.
    Maybe from the far right's perspective.
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    then proceed to do your mental masturbation, alone, by yourself....
    you have no answer, so you deflect....
    the answer you gave to your queston has been graded, D-minus is all you get...
    I did not deflect at all. The example of minimum wage is an excellent example on why some people are sheep.

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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I did not deflect at all. The example of minimum wage is an excellent example on why some people are sheep.
    so, are you a wolf, or sheepherder?
    I have siblings who are poor, and they all know better than to ask me for money. They are wasters, they waste educational opportunities, whatever money they get, and time....
    The poorest 2 are not very smart, and to make it worse, won't listen to smarter people, probably a good thing, those smarter people will fleece them. They do better when they live on an "allowance"....like SS. If you give them a million bucks, they would live well for about a year, then be poor again.
    I think your claims about minimum wage and blacks are not founded in reality....got a source? link?
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I do things my way ladies, and if you knew the answer to my question you would know I answered you. What was the actual purpose of minimum wage? Was it actually to assist the poor like its claimed to be? The fact of the matter it was not. It was meant to get blacks out of the workforce because whites were getting pushed out and it did this very well looking at black unemployment before and after the policy. Anyone that believes it for the poor is a sheep.
    Link? cause or effect? explanation? I have seen blacks excluded in my day, hispanics as well. The USA may have taken down its "WHITES ONLY" signs from plain view, but the mind set is still there.
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not to those that understand that the national debt is a function of deficits.

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama

    "Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama, and how much was caused by the financial crisis, the continuation of past policies and other effects? For this analysis, we worked with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to attach a price tag to the legislation passed by Obama and his predecessor. George W. Bush’s major policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion

    Costs of Bush policies 2001 - 2009 = $5.1 trillion

    Cost of Obama's policies 2009 - 2017 = $983 billion"

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
    Are you serious?

    Obama could repeal/reduce ALL of those additions in his budgets if he chose to...it is his decision.

    So since he has not, then he now must take responsibility for them during each year that he is in office.

    PLUS - he promised to half the budget deficit during his first term. So he is either a liar or totally untrustworthy on carrying through his promises



    And, you FINALLY admit that Obama HAS increased the debt.

    So that is yet another thing that has gotten worse under Obama...PLUS unemployment, worker participation rate, housing value and food stamps....oh, and the trade deficit as well (I forgot that before).
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not to those that understand that the national debt is a function of deficits.

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama

    "Since President Obama became chief executive, the national debt has risen almost $5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama, and how much was caused by the financial crisis, the continuation of past policies and other effects? For this analysis, we worked with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to attach a price tag to the legislation passed by Obama and his predecessor. George W. Bush’s major policies increased the debt by more than $5 trillion during his presidency. Obama has increased the debt by less than $1 trillion

    Costs of Bush policies 2001 - 2009 = $5.1 trillion

    Cost of Obama's policies 2009 - 2017 = $983 billion"

    Adding to the deficit: Bush vs. Obama - The Washington Post
    That is the LAMEST possible argument. There is NO need for Obama to keep the very "Bush" policies that you ascribe all of the debt to. We are now using the OBAMA FIT rates, since he has signed them into law. EVERY item in the ficticious "Obama budget" is, in fact, an Obama policy. Obama and the demorats had COMPLETE control of congress yet did not "reverse" any of these "Bush" policies.

    Governing is not simply allowing things to remain "as is" and complaining about them, it is making those HOPE AND CHANGE things come to pass by LEADING. Name ONE "Obama" policy that was not able to EASILY pass congress in 2009 or 2010? Simply because Obama did not lead does not mean that congress would not have gone along. Obama let Pelosi and Reid run the show, then complains about "Bush" policies, while he offered NONE of his own.

    Obama NOW wants to tax "the rich" to add $85 billion to the federal revenue, enough to pay for 8.5 days of his spending, yet NEVER explains how that will create (or save) even ONE job. Remember that the "bipartisan" deal to subsidize student loan interest for ONE YEAR cost that much. Get real!
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    Re: Number Of Americans Living In Poverty Hits 52-Year High, 27.4 Percent Of Blacks U

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the LAMEST possible argument. There is NO need for Obama to keep the very "Bush" policies that you ascribe all of the debt to. We are now using the OBAMA FIT rates, since he has signed them into law. EVERY item in the ficticious "Obama budget" is, in fact, an Obama policy. Obama and the demorats had COMPLETE control of congress yet did not "reverse" any of these "Bush" policies.

    Governing is not simply allowing things to remain "as is" and complaining about them, it is making those HOPE AND CHANGE things come to pass by LEADING. Name ONE "Obama" policy that was not able to EASILY pass congress in 2009 or 2010? Simply because Obama did not lead does not mean that congress would not have gone along. Obama let Pelosi and Reid run the show, then complains about "Bush" policies, while he offered NONE of his own.

    Obama NOW wants to tax "the rich" to add $85 billion to the federal revenue, enough to pay for 8.5 days of his spending, yet NEVER explains how that will create (or save) even ONE job. Remember that the "bipartisan" deal to subsidize student loan interest for ONE YEAR cost that much. Get real!
    In my opinion, excellent post...says it all.

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