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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It goes further than that. By not expanding Medicaid, all these Southern states are doing is pushing more poor voters towards Obama regardless of their political lean. If these Republican governors aren't offering an alternative or doing things to improve their state's economy where else are these people to turn to meet their health care needs? Ultimately, all turning down the Medicaid expansion will do is push more people exactly where they don't want them to go - towards the one political party that IS willing to help them meet their health care needs if not now then in the immediate future.

    Of course, this feeds right into the "all poor people want are handouts" argument, but notice that I did include the state's role in improving their economy (re: "job creation") to lift the burdon of entitlement expectations. Republicans are only shooting themselves in the foot by not accepting the Medicaid expansion, and they'll only have themselves to blame for it.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

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    But Obamacare is unpopular. You know that, right?
    The provisions of it aren't.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

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    Of course ... if you actually believe that it costs a hospital $12 for an aspirin.
    If you choose not to do the research it's pretty sad to then make ridiculous claims about it. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    The threat of GOP governors to not expand Medicaid is not at all credible. In terms of both policy and politics, their position is untenable. Let's start with the policy: The states are simply getting too good a deal to turn down. The federal government is paying 100% of the cost of the expansion for the first few years, and 90% thereafter. Furthermore, since conservative states like Texas currently have the stingiest Medicaid programs, they'd be getting the most federal money of all the states, to bring them up to compliance with the new expansion. In terms of the politics, all the money is on the side of the Medicaid expansion. Health care providers love it, because it means that they'll actually get paid for treating poor people.

    The GOP governors who are truly fanatical in their hatred of Obama might be able to hold out for a few years, but not much longer. This just isn't a deal that their states can afford to turn down. I wouldn't read too much into their threat anyway. It's only been a couple weeks since the SCOTUS ruling, so this is most likely just some butthurt Republicans blowing off steam, rather than a serious act of state policy for which they have weighed all the policy and political ramifications of their decision.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The provisions of it aren't.
    The "freebies", is that what you mean?
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The threat of GOP governors to not expand Medicaid is not at all credible. In terms of both policy and politics, their position is untenable. Let's start with the policy: The states are simply getting too good a deal to turn down. The federal government is paying 100% of the cost of the expansion for the first few years, and 90% thereafter. Furthermore, since conservative states like Texas currently have the stingiest Medicaid programs, they'd be getting the most federal money of all the states, to bring them up to compliance with the new expansion. In terms of the politics, all the money is on the side of the Medicaid expansion. Health care providers love it, because it means that they'll actually get paid for treating poor people.

    The GOP governors who are truly fanatical in their hatred of Obama might be able to hold out for a few years, but not much longer. This just isn't a deal that their states can afford to turn down. I wouldn't read too much into their threat anyway. It's only been a couple weeks since the SCOTUS ruling, so this is most likely just some butthurt Republicans blowing off steam, rather than a serious act of state policy for which they have weighed all the policy and political ramifications of their decision.
    Everyone understands that this is bait-and-switch. Medicaid is bankrupting my home state of Illinois, and many others as well.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Everyone understands that this is bait-and-switch. Medicaid is bankrupting my home state of Illinois, and many others as well.
    Then your state can hardly turn down a huge infusion of federal dollars which will also help to cover their uninsured population, thus strengthening the state economy by insuring that health care providers actually get paid for the services they provide.

    Fortunately, I don't envision that being a problem in Illinois.
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then your state can hardly turn down a huge infusion of federal dollars which will also help to cover their uninsured population, thus strengthening the state economy by insuring that health care providers actually get paid for the services they provide.

    Fortunately, I don't envision that being a problem in Illinois.
    You are so right about that. The same group which has bankrupted our beloved Madiganistan will dig deeper, for sure!
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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

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    Re: Southern governors secede from Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    But Obamacare is unpopular. You know that, right?
    Actually the country is split evenly, with about 10% mad because it doesn't go far enough. But keep swallowing that Fox Kool Aide!
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