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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since the nation has never been invaded, at least not since the Declaration of Independence, your claim is humorous to the point that you probably don't intend for it to be taken seriously. Not to worry....
    Speaking of unintended hilarity, here's a visual aid for you:



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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of unintended hilarity, here's a visual aid for you:



    Have I said many times that Karl is always his most smug when he's about to get owned hard? Yes, I think I have.
    it was a massive fail of epic and HISTORICAL proportions

    Nothing quite compares to that other than someone claiming that the SECOND AMENDMENT DOES NOT GIVE us the right to KBA (DUH the amendments merely RECOGNIZE rights)

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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    it was a massive fail of epic and HISTORICAL proportions

    Nothing quite compares to that other than someone claiming that the SECOND AMENDMENT DOES NOT GIVE us the right to KBA (DUH the amendments merely RECOGNIZE rights)
    So who was it that gave you those rights?
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    [1] more stupidity. its the government that distinguishes between the two

    [2] how much tax dollars do you pay?
    1. So you are subordinating your thought process to the government? Letting it make your decisions for you, such as why income you sweat for is taxed at a higher rate than income you receive because you have excess money to invest while you sit in pampered air-conditioned comfort watching Sean Hannity?

    2. Federal taxes? Do you want me to include FICA? Do you want me to include capital gains? Oil partnerships? (unfortunately these are taxed at ordinary income rates) Do you want me to include transfers? If so, just federal, or federal/state/local combined?

    Do you want me to include overseas accounts?

    Please, be specific -- the government doth distinguish....

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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    [...] the military isn't defending "wealth" but the nation as a whole.
    Since the nation has never been invaded, at least not since the Declaration of Independence, your claim is humorous to the point that you probably don't intend for it to be taken seriously. Not to worry....
    more gaping idiocy. the war of 1812 ring a bell with you?
    Okay, I'll bite -- give us your gaping explanation of how Britain invaded the U.S. in 1812

    According to my Cliff Notes, the U.S. declared war on Britain for various provocations, none of which -- given the circumstances at the time -- justified war. Additionally, there were allegedly some ulterior expansionist motives in the U.S. effort, such as appropriating additional territory; that, and oceanic trade (another reason for the war) tends to be a defense of -- you guessed it, folks... "wealth".

    Ideally, when one thinks of the military defending the nation, they think of teeming hordes assaulting our beaches (or dropping bombs over our cities). You know, kind of what the U.S. routinely does to other countries (weak ones, that is... the U.S. doesn't seem to pick on anyone its own size). I will reiterate that aside from the Revolutionary War, about the only nation to attack the U.S. directly is the Confederate States of America (recently known as The Southern Strategy of the GOP, the Moral Majority, the Dixiecrats (a.k.a. conservatives), and the Blue Dogs (a.k.a. conservative Democrats)). And I don't think they have yet conceded defeat . . . . .

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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    real property is taxed under the assumption that state functions are used to maintain or protect that property such as fire, police and garbage [...]
    Wildly untrue. The majority of real property tax is used for public schools[1]. Can the right get anything correct? [...]
    I never said the contrary. you lied about my post-I said protection of private property comes from property taxes. I never said how those property taxes were allocated. another fail
    Let me introduce to a radical new concept -- lying by omission. It's all the rage on the right... from selective quoting of the President to misrepresenting the allocation of property taxes. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it....

    But your post raises another question -- do any of your arguments not involve calling your opponent a liar? That also seems to be all the rage on the right....

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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    So who was it that gave you those rights?
    The deafening silence is getting obvious.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of unintended hilarity, here's a visual aid for you [...]
    Yes, the U.S. declared war on the British and mostly got their ass handed to them, including getting their capitol sacked. Personally I don't see the hilarity in that.

    I will, however, await the hilarity of you joining TurtleDude in explaining just exactly how the British invasion of the U.S. precipitated the war of 1812, and just exactly where and when this war-causing British invasion happened. Let's review the original goalpost, which some seem to be tugging upon:

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, replying to TurtleDude back in post #587 View Post
    Since the nation has never been invaded, at least not since the Declaration of Independence, your claim is humorous to the point that you probably don't intend for it to be taken seriously. Not to worry....
    However, I will now readily concede one error -- TurtleDude was serious, and it appears he wasn't the only one

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So who was it that gave you those rights?
    natural law, natural rights-look it up

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The deafening silence is getting obvious.
    No one gives you rights, haymarket. Rights are something that are yours by virtue of your nature as man. The state is erected to secure those rights.

    But if you want a historical perspective--something one would think a person who spent his years 'teaching' history would offer himself--rights are bestowed upon man by God. So if you believe in that sort of thing, the answer to your question is God.

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