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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How bad are your reading skills Turtle?

    How woefully inadequate are your complete lack of comprehension skills Turtle?

    FAIR can go screw itself into the ground and then get pissed on for all I care.

    My argument is based on the fact that one million dollars coming into the pocket of anyone is still one million dollars and spends as such. If you stacked those three pilels high, you would be utterly impotent to tell the three apart.

    Got it?

    My argument is based on that reality.

    It is further based on the reality that tax disparities are created as a result of the Golden Rule and as such are highly discriminatory and preferential.

    Because it is discriminatory and preferential and impacts the wealthy with the greatest benefit of such favoritism while money earned through work or labor is taxed at a different and less preferential rate it should not be tolerated.

    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in labor wages are taxed at nearly 35% or a tax bill of nearly $350,000.00 with no other deductions.
    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in long term capital gains are taxed at 15% or a tax bill of $150,000.00 with no other deductions.
    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in inheritance is tax free and taxed at 0% or a tax bill of $00.00 with no deductions needed.

    A million dollars is a million dollars is a million dollars. Stack it up and it all looks the same. It all spends the same. It is the same. But the Golden Rule allows discriminatory preferences to be given to the sources of money that benefit the rich the most over workers and wage earners.

    your rant is based on the fact that you think 35% should be applied to ALL TYPES OF INCOME

    the GOVERNMENT feels other wise

    so your howling is based on your belief that a rich person's income no matter what its derivation should always be taxed at the top rate

    the government that created the laws that make me pay more of my next EARNED DOLLAR IN TAXES THAN YOU DO has DETERMINED THAT my INVESTMENT INCOME SHOULD BE TAXED DIFFERENTLY

    I understand that upsets you

    I understand that you think its wrong that I can have income that is not taxed at 35% marginal rates

    BUT THE FACT IS-the GOVERNMENT THAT YOU SUPPORT WHEN IT MAKES ME PAY MORE ON EARNED INCOME THAN YOU DO


    has DECIDED

    that when it comes to INVESTMENT INCOME

    I SHOULD PAY THE SAME AS YOU

    so quit whining

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I believe the middleclass is pissed off enough at him from the huge tax hike on them in the form of Obamacare.

    Ah, the Fox is strong in this one...

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, the Fox is strong in this one...
    ah the FDS is strong with this one and no-we aren't talking about a feminine product

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    from Turtle

    your rant is based on the fact that you think 35% should be applied to ALL TYPES OF INCOME
    That is blatantly false. Tell you what - if that is my position, lets each put up your vaunted $10 grand and see who is right.



    so your howling is based on your belief that a rich person's income no matter what its derivation should always be taxed at the top rate
    If they are in the top bracket, we should make no distinction about the source of the money. Money is money is money. It looks the same and spends the same. All you are trying to do is the same thing you always do - lower your own tax bite and it it means sucking up to discriminatory preferences you pucker up eagerly and enthusiastically.

    the government that created the laws that make me pay more of my next EARNED DOLLAR IN TAXES THAN YOU DO has DETERMINED THAT my INVESTMENT INCOME SHOULD BE TAXED DIFFERENTLY
    And that is called the Golden Rule. And that is what must be changed.



    I understand that you think its wrong that I can have income that is not taxed at 35% marginal rates
    I have already repeatedly told you for a long time now that I DO NOT SUPPORT taxing your income at 35% rates. Why do you persist in misrepresenting my position?

    BUT THE FACT IS-the GOVERNMENT THAT YOU SUPPORT WHEN IT MAKES ME PAY MORE ON EARNED INCOME THAN YOU DO
    Actually it was the American people through the 16th Amendment that decided that reality.


    has DECIDED

    that when it comes to INVESTMENT INCOME

    I SHOULD PAY THE SAME AS YOU

    so quit whining
    Yes, the Golden Rule benefitting those who have the gold and make the rules. We are well aware of the terrible injustice of it all. Thanks for reminding us.

    And after all that we are still left with this sad reality of life in America: because it is discriminatory and preferential and impacts the wealthy with the greatest benefit of such favoritism while money earned through work or labor is taxed at a different and less preferential rate it should not be tolerated.

    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in labor wages are taxed at nearly 35% or a tax bill of nearly $350,000.00 with no other deductions.
    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in long term capital gains are taxed at 15% or a tax bill of $150,000.00 with no other deductions.
    One million dollars put into somebody's pocket or account in inheritance is tax free and taxed at 0% or a tax bill of $00.00 with no deductions needed.

    A million dollars is a million dollars is a million dollars. Stack it up and it all looks the same. It all spends the same. It is the same. But the Golden Rule allows discriminatory preferences to be given to the sources of money that benefit the rich the most over workers and wage earners.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    So what you are babbling about Haymarket is that

    1) The law is RIGHT when it makes me pay more of my next EARNED DOLLAR to the government than you do but


    2) THE LAW IS WRONG when my next investment income dollar is not taxed more than yours?


    the GOVERNMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT TAXES should be different for different TYPES of INCOME



    YOu lose on that

    if you want all income to be taxed at the same rate fine with me as long as the rate is the same no matter how much


    THE ONLY CONSISTENCY WE SEE FROM YOU IS WANTING THE RICH TO ALWAYS PAY MORE

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    BUT THE FACT IS-the GOVERNMENT THAT YOU SUPPORT WHEN IT MAKES ME PAY MORE ON EARNED INCOME THAN YOU DO

    This is the last time I'm going to explain this to you.


    That bridge that brings people to businesses owned by wealthy investors was built by and is maintained by TAX REVENUE. The wealthy investors benefit the most from the partnership between government and business, therefore they contribute the most to keep the ALL the necessary programs running.

    Get it?


    The giant ramp off the 5 Freeway in Anaheim that delivers cars right to the Disneyland Resort parking structure was paid for with tax dollars. Why? Because the Disney company was going to double their employment with the expansion of the resort. Disney stock goes up, investors make money, CEOs get bonuses +++ people get jobs, get a salary and buy goods and services. The ramp was stimulus. It created 10 jobs for ever $1 tax dollar. Get it?

    All this is made possible because of a partnership between the PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS. Wealthy investors and business owners benefit the most when the economy is working. So they contribute the most to keep the Necessary Programs running.

    I explained this to you a year ago, using the same example. You never refuted it or offered anything but a meaningless string of Limbaugh talking points.

    You understand nothing about the economic principles behind taxation and how government functions to support businesses.

    Your rants are the moronic talking point variety of those educated only by right wing super hype. IMO, you are dishonest about your education and background.

    If you can't understand how things work, stop pretending like you do. Your posts are pathetically stupid and void of content, revealing a complete fraud, IMO.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So what you are babbling about Haymarket is that

    1) The law is RIGHT when it makes me pay more of my next EARNED DOLLAR to the government than you do but


    2) THE LAW IS WRONG when my next investment income dollar is not taxed more than yours?


    the GOVERNMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT TAXES should be different for different TYPES of INCOME



    YOu lose on that

    if you want all income to be taxed at the same rate fine with me as long as the rate is the same no matter how much


    THE ONLY CONSISTENCY WE SEE FROM YOU IS WANTING THE RICH TO ALWAYS PAY MORE
    Do you know the difference between apples and oranges?

    Do you know the difference between apples and cinder blocks?

    Based on your post the obvious answer is NO written in 200 foot high letters chiseled into the side of a mountain face.

    A rate schedule treating different levels of income is one thing all by itself.

    Discriminatory rates extended to sources of income that benefit mostly the wealthy is an entirely different thing.

    One can support one without supporting the other.

    Lets see who I can get to testify in support of that proposition? I KNOW? How about a Ohio labor lawyer... sorry --- corporation management lawyer ... who styles himself as a expert on these matters? Yeah - lets bring him to the stand and see if one can support one but disagree with the other.

    So testify for my side Turtle. Tell us how you can oppose the progressive tax schedule on the one hand but support discriminatory and preferential rates for investment and inheritance income on the other hand.

    The expert Turtle sees nothing at all wrong or intellectually inconsistent with this. He only makes that charge when you flip it around and accept the progressive rte schedule but recognize the faults of discriminatory preferences which benefit the wealthy over workers.

    Your your CONSISTENCY argument FAILS and you were the witness who swayed the judge and jury.

    Thanks and you can now step down and go back to your seat in the back.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    This is the last time I'm going to explain this to you.


    That bridge that brings people to businesses owned by wealthy investors was built by and is maintained by TAX REVENUE. The wealthy investors benefit the most from the partnership between government and business, therefore they contribute the most to keep the ALL the necessary programs running.

    Get it?


    The giant ramp off the 5 Freeway in Anaheim that delivers cars right to the Disneyland Resort parking structure was paid for with tax dollars. Why? Because the Disney company was going to double their employment with the expansion of the resort. Disney stock goes up, investors make money, CEOs get bonuses +++ people get jobs, get a salary and buy goods and services. The ramp was stimulus. It created 10 jobs for ever $1 tax dollar. Get it?

    All this is made possible because of a partnership between the PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS. Wealthy investors and business owners benefit the most when the economy is working. So they contribute the most to keep the Necessary Programs running.

    I explained this to you a year ago, using the same example. You never refuted it or offered anything but a meaningless string of Limbaugh talking points.

    You understand nothing about the economic principles behind taxation and how government functions to support businesses.

    Your rants are the moronic talking point variety of those educated only by right wing super hype. IMO, you are dishonest about your education and background.

    If you can't understand how things work, stop pretending like you do. Your posts are pathetically stupid and void of content, revealing a complete fraud, IMO.
    left wing rants delivered from a hackish position are not "explanations"

    the fact is this thread is about obama appealing to class warfare and its idiotic to claim that someone making 220K needs to pay more no matter their locale vs someone making 199K keeping their same rate


    You can claim I am dishonest about my education and we can start up the failure to get to law school nonsense about you I suppose

    the fact is I did graduate from a top law school and you didn't

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you know the difference between apples and oranges?

    Do you know the difference between apples and cinder blocks?

    Based on your post the obvious answer is NO written in 200 foot high letters chiseled into the side of a mountain face.

    A rate schedule treating different levels of income is one thing all by itself.

    Discriminatory rates extended to sources of income that benefit mostly the wealthy is an entirely different thing.

    One can support one without supporting the other.

    Lets see who I can get to testify in support of that proposition? I KNOW? How about a Ohio labor lawyer... sorry --- corporation management lawyer ... who styles himself as a expert on these matters? Yeah - lets bring him to the stand and see if one can support one but disagree with the other.

    So testify for my side Turtle. Tell us how you can oppose the progressive tax schedule on the one hand but support discriminatory and preferential rates for investment and inheritance income on the other hand.

    The expert Turtle sees nothing at all wrong or intellectually inconsistent with this. He only makes that charge when you flip it around and accept the progressive rte schedule but recognize the faults of discriminatory preferences which benefit the wealthy over workers.

    Your your CONSISTENCY argument FAILS and you were the witness who swayed the judge and jury.

    Thanks and you can now step down and go back to your seat in the back.
    sorry you lose

    the GOVERNMENT is what determines the rate

    the only discrimination is making the rich pay more

    how are you HURT by the RICH not paying the same rates on INVESTMENT INCOME as they do on EARNED INCOME

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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