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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I didn't loose anything. You just admitted union employment is voluntary as is any job - so you (all) say.
    "loose anything"

    YOu claimed that people have a choice. OKIE DOKIE

    you have a choice to make a living wage

    but that is not someone's duty to pay you what you think you NEED but what you are WORTH

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOu claimed that people have a choice. OKIE DOKIE

    you have a choice to make a living wage

    but that is not someone's duty to pay you what you think you NEED but what you are WORTH
    No, YOU claim people have a choice in what jobs they take. YOU claim the job market is "voluntary" (and at the current time that's the law in America, too). As such, YOU saying union workers are "forced" to do anything is pure crap because that directly conflicts with what YOU claim.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FICA is not a progressive tax and its based on earned income not overall income
    I'm sure you don't want to talk about FICA because it's a regressive Federal tax on income and makes the rich look terribly bad when comparing Federal taxes on income.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So earned income isn't income anymore???
    FICA has a limit-you do know that and FICA is not applicable to investment income

    are you playing contrarian games?

    you know that there is a ceiling on FICA

    you do know it isn't based on investment income

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    rich people have complete choice

    union members do not

    Look up the BECK vs Communications Workers of America case in front of the supreme court

    487 US 735 (1988)
    That case illustrates that union members do indeed have a choice. Once again, your argument defeats your position. Odd, but entertaining. . . . .

    Under the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Communications Workers of America v. Beck, union workers subject to a union-security agreement enjoy what are known as “Beck Rights.” You can go to your local union leadership and tell them you’d like to exercise these rights. When you do, the union will recategorize you as an “agency fee payer.” The union will still collect fees to spend on negotiating a contract with employers and collective bargaining, but it can no longer legally spend those fees on political campaigns.

    Protecting American Workers

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FICA has a limit-you do know that and FICA is not applicable to investment income

    are you playing contrarian games?

    you know that there is a ceiling on FICA

    you do know it isn't based on investment income
    Indeed. Why are the rich getting a free ride on FICA? The middle class has to pay, but the rich don't? What's up with that?

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FICA has a limit-you do know that and FICA is not applicable to investment income

    you know that there is a ceiling on FICA

    you do know it isn't based on investment income
    And all this means what? That FICA isn't a Federal tax on income? LOL! You know better than that!

    Or does it just mean you don't want to discuss it or have it be a part of any discussion on Fed taxes because it makes your position much, much worse???



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    And I will continue pushing this point until your follow right-wingnuts decide SS retirement is not anywhere close to the same as welfare. SS recipients are not "sucking the teat" when they draw their retirement pay and if they are then FICA is a Federal tax on income and should be included in any discussion of Fed tax rates!


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you playing contrarian games?
    I sometimes do that, yes. Am I doing it now? NO! Your right-wingbut buddies started this one by declaring SS retirement was welfare.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That case illustrates that union members do indeed have a choice. Once again, your argument defeats your position. Odd, but entertaining. . . . .
    LOL you fell for it-under the Clinton administration he ordered the DOL not to prosecute those claims meaning if I am a union member and the union violated my BECK Rights the DOL would not help me. Under GHWB the DOL would bring the charges and a federal attorney would go after the union

    big difference but as is often the case with the far left you are arguing tangents. the BECK case proved that union member's dues were often USED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES THAT NOT ALL THE MEMBERS WANTED while in the case of rich people its generally purely voluntary

    another fail on your part

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And all this means what? That FICA isn't a Federal tax on income? LOL! You know better than that!

    Or does it just mean you don't want to discuss it or have it be a part of any discussion on Fed taxes because it makes your position much, much worse???



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    And I will continue pushing this point until your follow right-wingnuts decide SS retirement is not anywhere close to the same as welfare. SS recipients are not "sucking the teat" when they draw their retirement pay and if they are then FICA is a Federal tax on income and should be included in any discussion of Fed tax rates!

    more idiocy FICA is a tax with a ceiling therefore it is not progressive. nice misrepresentation of what I said

    Where did I say it is not a tax on earned income

    stop lying

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Indeed. Why are the rich getting a free ride on FICA? The middle class has to pay, but the rich don't? What's up with that?
    how many rich have no earned income

    so you are lying when you claim the rich are getting a free ride

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