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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Hey, you guys make the rules and say the work place is all voluntary! No one is forcing people to take jobs at union shops.
    leftwingers constantly complain that "working people" who agree to work for a set wage really have no choice. that the employers hold all the cards and thus the trade of labor for wages is not voluntary. so if your only choice of jobs in your trade is a closed shop-which has happened in states that do not have right to work laws, your choice to "join" a union is not nearly as free as you claim

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is true as well, but you have to ask yourself why. If the government wasnt so involved and wielded so much power there would be no incentive to buy their votes. So long as congressmen have virtually unlimited power to control and regulate business, there will be business leaders who attempt to influence their votes with cash. It is power that corrupts, money is drawn to that power.
    I do ask myself why. Government has always had the power to regulate and control business. In fact, our Founding Fathers had no particular love of "business" except what we would call small businesses. They distrusted Big Business very much and had good reason to do so.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    leftwingers constantly complain that "working people" who agree to work for a set wage really have no choice. that the employers hold all the cards and thus the trade of labor for wages is not voluntary. so if your only choice of jobs in your trade is a closed shop-which has happened in states that do not have right to work laws, your choice to "join" a union is not nearly as free as you claim
    But right-wingnuts deny such claims and, in fact, their position is the law at this time. As such, union employment is just as "voluntary" as taking a job for $7.50/hour even if you can't really support your family on it.

    When we get around to passing living wage laws and making some other labor reforms you let me know and we'll re-hash the union issue.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But right-wingnuts deny such claims and, in fact, their position is the law at this time. As such, union employment is just as "voluntary" as taking a job for $7.50/hour even if you can't really support your family on it.

    When we get around to passing living wage laws and making some other labor reforms you let me know and we'll re-hash the union issue.

    If you want a wage that you consider to be Living wage" (whatever that means) then you best make yourself marketable enough to earn that sort of wage rate

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the super rich pay a higher rate on like income than you do

    you dishonestly compare one form of income with another
    ROFLMAO... talk about dishonesty!

    The super rich pay the same capital gains taxes that I do, depending on how our relative regular income tax brackets break. If the super rich has zero regular income, then they pay less in capital gains that I do

    However, they most definitely pay a lower overall FICA than I do (assuming that all their income is taxed as capital gains, which equates to zero FICA).

    The longer you argue, the more you lose. Carry on

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL, I am a labor attorney-ever heard of a closed shop?

    and did you read Beck-it went up to the USSC
    Yes, didn't it say something about NOT being able to use union dues from non-voluntary members as PAC money? If so, that would seem to blow your whole line of bull**** out of the water.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But right-wingnuts deny such claims and, in fact, their position is the law at this time. As such, union employment is just as "voluntary" as taking a job for $7.50/hour even if you can't really support your family on it.

    When we get around to passing living wage laws and making some other labor reforms you let me know and we'll re-hash the union issue.
    If you want a wage that you consider to be Living wage" (whatever that means) then you best make yourself marketable enough to earn that sort of wage rate
    I rest my case.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    ROFLMAO... talk about dishonesty!

    The super rich pay the same capital gains taxes that I do, depending on how our relative regular income tax brackets break. If the super rich has zero regular income, then they pay less in capital gains that I do

    However, they most definitely pay a lower overall FICA than I do (assuming that all their income is taxed as capital gains, which equates to zero FICA).

    The longer you argue, the more you lose. Carry on

    Capital gains tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I didn't think you were actually making enough to get to that rate based on earlier posts

    but the rich pay a higher amount of taxes than you do

    they pay a higher rate on earned income, investment income as well

    FICA is not a progressive tax and its based on earned income not overall income-fail on your part

    and most rich people pay more than you do

    and if all their income is investment income they won't get as much social security will they?

    nice try fail

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I rest my case.
    I actually see you as having lost that-what entitles you to a certain wage

    its not what you need

    its the value of your labor

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I actually see you as having lost that-what entitles you to a certain wage

    its not what you need

    its the value of your labor
    I didn't loose anything. You just admitted union employment is voluntary as is any job - so you (all) say.
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