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Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

Not nonsense at all. If the GOP cared at all about anyone other than their "base", then why would they not agree to the extension of the cuts for the 98% unless the 2% are given tax cuts? The reality is...the GOP is willing to hold the 98% hostage in order to get tax cuts for the wealthiest....call it whatever you want....but it is what it is.

You know what? How about you talk about this in terms of reality...instead of in terms of spin.

Current tax rates have been in effect...what?...10 years? Any action this year will not be cutting taxes for anyone. At best, taxes can only stay the same. The Republicans only want to keep taxes at their current level...not cut taxes for anyone.
 
Not nonsense at all. If the DNC cared at all about anyone other than their "base", then why would they not agree to the extension of the cuts for everyone? The reality is...the DNC is willing to hold the 98% hostage in order to increase taxes on the wealthiest....call it whatever you want....but it is what it is.

Goes both ways dude. Try looking at the bigger picture from time to time and you might lose the rep as a hack.


What do you think happened the last time? DOH!....Obama eventually caved in to the GOP's extortion and agreed to their demands for the weathiest. As as result...it has slowed our economic recovery. This time around, Obama is correct in saying no. If the GOP won't agree to the tax cuts, it is on their shoulders. Nice attempt to shift the burden ....but the spin fails.
 
You know what? How about you talk about this in terms of reality...instead of in terms of spin.

Current tax rates have been in effect...what?...10 years? Any action this year will not be cutting taxes for anyone. At best, taxes can only stay the same. The Republicans only want to keep taxes at their current level...not cut taxes for anyone.

No. Non-action means the tax cuts end. Keeping the tax cuts in effect requires the action. Republicans want to ensure that tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans remain in effect. The reality is, they couldn't care less about the other 98% and their willingness to hold the middle and working class hostage clearly evidences this.
 
What do you think happened the last time? DOH!....Obama eventually caved in to the GOP's extortion and agreed to their demands for the weathiest. As as result...it has slowed our economic recovery. This time around, Obama is correct in saying no. If the GOP won't agree to the tax cuts, it is on their shoulders. Nice attempt to shift the burden ....but the spin fails.

More spin, dude.

Tell me, what tax cuts do you want the Republicans to agree to? What tax cuts have the Democrats proposed that the Republicans are opposed to? From what I've seen, the Democrats only want to keep taxes at their current level for some and they want to increase taxes for others. The Republicans want to keep taxes at current levels for everyone.

Be honest, dude. Nobody is calling for any kind of tax cuts...no matter how you spin it.
 
You know what? How about you talk about this in terms of reality...instead of in terms of spin.

Current tax rates have been in effect...what?...10 years? Any action this year will not be cutting taxes for anyone. At best, taxes can only stay the same. The Republicans only want to keep taxes at their current level...not cut taxes for anyone.

Dizzydude, and many others, seem to view letting you keep ANY of your earnings as a tax cut. The fear of allowing ALL (actually just their own) tax rates to revert to the Clinton levels (that they all cheered at the time, of course) is scary, but not allowing "the rich" to pay more is a disaster as those 8 1/2 days of federal spending must be PAID FOR, the rest of the year does not matter, but those 8 1/2 days will ruin the nation if we can't PAY FOR them in 2013. Never mind that Obama DOUBLED the national deficit, that is no big deal, but if we can not pay for 8 1/2 days of gov't spending in 2013, by taxing "the rich" next year, certain economic disaster is assured. Yes they can!
 
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No. Non-action means the tax cuts end. Keeping the tax cuts in effect requires the action. Republicans want to ensure that tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans remain in effect. The reality is, they couldn't care less about the other 98% and their willingness to hold the middle and working class hostage clearly evidences this.

Keeping the tax cuts in effect ensure present tax rates for EVERYONE. Not only for the rich. That is the Republican's aim.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are willing to cause EVERYONE'S taxes to increase...if they can't get a tax increase on the rich.

Keep on spinning, dude.
 
President Obama returns to the tax issue today, with plans to call for a one-year extension of George W. Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class

Obama wants to cut taxes on the middle class... which is why he insisted on a health insurance tax that targets only that demographic. Yeah right.
 
What do you think happened the last time? DOH!....Obama eventually caved in to the GOP's extortion and agreed to their demands for the weathiest. As as result...it has slowed our economic recovery. This time around, Obama is correct in saying no. If the GOP won't agree to the tax cuts, it is on their shoulders. Nice attempt to shift the burden ....but the spin fails.

LOL Obama has "caved" every year; these are now the "Obama" tax rates since they have been in effect for every year of his entire term. Why not extend the "Obama" tax rates one more year? Will that $85 billion ruin the Obama recovery in 2013? LOL
 
What do you think happened the last time? DOH!....Obama eventually caved in to the GOP's extortion and agreed to their demands for the weathiest. As as result...it has slowed our economic recovery. This time around, Obama is correct in saying no. If the GOP won't agree to the tax cuts, it is on their shoulders. Nice attempt to shift the burden ....but the spin fails.

So I wasted my breath suggesting you look at the bigger picture and remove yourself from the kingdom of hack? Ok, got it. You are right on only one point, that being your spin does fail. All such hackery fails.
 
More spin, dude.

Tell me, what tax cuts do you want the Republicans to agree to? What tax cuts have the Democrats proposed that the Republicans are opposed to? From what I've seen, the Democrats only want to keep taxes at their current level for some and they want to increase taxes for others. The Republicans want to keep taxes at current levels for everyone.

Be honest, dude. Nobody is calling for any kind of tax cuts...no matter how you spin it.

Wow......can you be any more dishonest. We are talking about the midnight hour of the Bush tax CUTS......DOH!.....the issue being debated is whether the tax CUTS should reamin in effect or end. I guess you can argue that if the tax cuts end...it increases taxes, so an end to the tax CUTS would be a tax increase.

Obama campaigned from day 1 that tax cuts should remain in effect for the middle/working class, but the wealthy who CAN afford to pay more SHOULD pay more. So anyone claiming that Obama is playing politics is either ignorning history or just plain dumb.

The party of NO wouldn't agree to this the first time around without concessions from Obama that protected the wealthy. They held the working/middle class hostage in order to keep tax cuts for the wealthy.

Essentially they are doing the same again. Republicans cannot stomach the thought of working and middle class Americans getting tax relief unless their wealthy supporters get the same tax cut. That's the bottom line...and unless Obama agrees to give it to their wealthy "base", they won't allow it to go to the people in this country who really need tax relief. Sorry....but that's just the truth.
 
More spin, dude.
The Republicans want to keep taxes at current levels for everyone.

Be honest, dude. Nobody is calling for any kind of tax cuts...no matter how you spin it.


Yeah, dude. Let us be honest here.

The Romney Tax Plan
In his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney has proposed permanently extending the 2001-03 tax cuts, further cutting individual income tax rates, broadening the tax base by reducing tax preferences, eliminating taxation of investment income of most individual taxpayers, reducing the corporate income tax, eliminating the estate tax, and repealing the alternative minimum tax (AMT) and the taxes enacted in 2010’s health reform legislation.

more from Romney's site

Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade

Last week, Mitt Romney proposed a new tax plan that would, among other things, reduce individual tax rates by 20 percent across the board and repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax. To get a rough sense of what those two tax cuts would cost, the Tax Policy Center crunched the numbers. The result: They would be really, really expensive.

TPC found that repealing the AMT and cutting rates by 20 percent would increase the deficit by more than $3 trillion over the next 10 years, even after the 2001/2003/2010 tax cuts are extended.

Ryan’s tax plan: $6.2 trillion short

The Tax Policy Center looked into the revenue loss associated with House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s plan to cut the tax code down to two rates of 10 percent and 25 percent. They estimate the changes would raise $31.1 trillion over 10 years, or 15.4 percent of GDP. That’s $10 trillion less than the tax code would raise if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire, and $4.6 trillion less than it would raise if all of the Bush tax cuts were extended.

Every freakin' Republican pol and talking head is constantly nattering on about the "benefits" of cutting taxes. Never mind that every single analysis and the historical record shows that cutting taxes below the present levels is an unsustainable concept.
 
Never mind that every single analysis and the historical record shows that cutting taxes below the present levels is an unsustainable concept.

Don't bother to consider abusive spending by the government in your argument. Nah, wouldn't want that. After all, continuing increase spending, administration after administration, we have hit a point where this sort of thing is obviously sustainable. Right?
 
Don't bother to consider abusive spending by the government in your argument. Nah, wouldn't want that. After all, continuing increase spending, administration after administration, we have hit a point where this sort of thing is obviously sustainable. Right?

I do luv me Republican bilateral thinking - it's such a simple world where everything they support they 'know' is the TRUTH and everything else is evil.

Please show me where there is NO mention of cutting government spending. In fact the automatic cuts that were negotiated two years ago are supposed to go into effect Jan 1, 2013 and already we are seeing some of those "cut spending" advocates scrambling for justification of those federal funds that will be cut in their district.
 
I do luv me Republican bilateral thinking - it's such a simple world where everything they support they 'know' is the TRUTH and everything else is evil.

Ah, called out for hackery and you try to spin it back around.
 
Yeah, dude. Let us be honest here.

The Romney Tax Plan


more from Romney's site





Every freakin' Republican pol and talking head is constantly nattering on about the "benefits" of cutting taxes. Never mind that every single analysis and the historical record shows that cutting taxes below the present levels is an unsustainable concept.

sigh...

This thread is about the "Bush Tax Cuts"...current tax policy. Not about proposals from anyone about future tax policy. The fact that you bring such stuff up is indicative of a lack of reasonable debate on this thread's topic.
 
Don't bother to consider abusive spending by the government in your argument. Nah, wouldn't want that. After all, continuing increase spending, administration after administration, we have hit a point where this sort of thing is obviously sustainable. Right?
People like Somerville are forced to argue that

1) the government is spending wisely

2) and needs more money

3) but only from a few people who don't have the numbers to vote the dems out of office

in other words an untenable position to be in
 
ok, how about we don't extend the tax-cuts for the rich...but ONLY use that money to reduce the deficit, and in exchange cut SS and Medicare and other programs by the same amount each year.

sound good?
 
What do you think happened the last time? DOH!....Obama eventually caved in to the GOP's extortion and agreed to their demands for the weathiest. As as result...it has slowed our economic recovery. This time around, Obama is correct in saying no. If the GOP won't agree to the tax cuts, it is on their shoulders. Nice attempt to shift the burden ....but the spin fails.

It has absolutely in no way slowed our economic recovery. If the government was not spending money because we don't have it, you might have a case. Current the government spends what they want. Contributing more to the pot isn't going to change anything on the economic stage except take money out of the pockets of people.
 
ok, how about we don't extend the tax-cuts for the rich...but ONLY use that money to reduce the deficit, and in exchange cut SS and Medicare and other programs by the same amount each year.

sound good?


why should the one group that pays more of the income tax share than its share of the income be the only group that pays more taxes?

what makes someone making 250K as an individual in NYC deserving of being taxed more while a guy making 195K in the Ozarks is not taxed more?

Krauthammer: 'Obama's Surrendered on the State of the Economy' With Tax Proposal | NewsBusters.org
 
Wow......can you be any more dishonest. We are talking about the midnight hour of the Bush tax CUTS......DOH!.....the issue being debated is whether the tax CUTS should reamin in effect or end. I guess you can argue that if the tax cuts end...it increases taxes, so an end to the tax CUTS would be a tax increase.

Obama campaigned from day 1 that tax cuts should remain in effect for the middle/working class, but the wealthy who CAN afford to pay more SHOULD pay more. So anyone claiming that Obama is playing politics is either ignorning history or just plain dumb.

The party of NO wouldn't agree to this the first time around without concessions from Obama that protected the wealthy. They held the working/middle class hostage in order to keep tax cuts for the wealthy.

Essentially they are doing the same again. Republicans cannot stomach the thought of working and middle class Americans getting tax relief unless their wealthy supporters get the same tax cut. That's the bottom line...and unless Obama agrees to give it to their wealthy "base", they won't allow it to go to the people in this country who really need tax relief. Sorry....but that's just the truth.

You call ME dishonest???

You call being determined to keep taxes as they are to somehow supporting reducing taxes...as in your characterization of the Republicans efforts vis a vis the rich. Then, you say the Republicans want to raise taxes on everyone else when, again, all they want is for tax rates to stay the same as they are right now. Your spin is quite remarkable.

Since the Bush Tax Cuts have been in effect for around TEN FRICKEN YEARS...yes, to end those cuts is, in effect a tax increase...no matter who you want to target.

When Obama had a chance to do something about the Bush Tax Cut, he did nothing. It was the furthest thing from his mind. Now...when he has no hope of getting anything done...he brings it up. It's obvious he is only interested in painting the Republicans in a bad light while in this campaign season.

I'll repeat my suggest from my first post in this thread: Extend the tax rates for everyone...better yet, make them permanent. Or let the rates revert to previous levels for everyone. But this half-assed, wishy-washy, class envy approach doesn't help anyone...least of all our country.
 
ok, how about we don't extend the tax-cuts for the rich...but ONLY use that money to reduce the deficit, and in exchange cut SS and Medicare and other programs by the same amount each year.

sound good?

How on earth would you enforce that?
 
Ahh but he does have an "ace up his sleeve" with the massive sequestration defense cuts coming. I think a deal will be cut. Tax cuts end for the top bracket in exchange for less defense cuts. It's an offer the Republicans will not be able to refuse. Except the T's of course and they will be a riot to watch when they go ballistic.

It figures that Obama would cut defense spending when it really needs to be increased.
 
ok, how about we don't extend the tax-cuts for the rich...but ONLY use that money to reduce the deficit, and in exchange cut SS and Medicare and other programs by the same amount each year.

sound good?

I would certainly support raising taxes on the wealthy if the projected annual income from the increase was accompanied by a subsequent annual cut in the budget. The tax increase would remain in effect as long a an annual decrease in the budget is made.
 
I would certainly support raising taxes on the wealthy if the projected annual income from the increase was accompanied by a subsequent annual cut in the budget. The tax increase would remain in effect as long a an annual decrease in the budget is made.

you would support this, because you are a free-thinking & intelligent individual, who cares for the welfare of your country.

however, most extremist Republicans would OPPOSE such a plan, even if the matching budget cuts on social programs were multiplied by three.
 
you would support this, because you are a free-thinking & intelligent individual, who cares for the welfare of your country.

however, most extremist Republicans would OPPOSE such a plan, even if the matching budget cuts on social programs were multiplied by three.

MULTIPLIED BY THREE??!!! Now you are just talking dirty to me! :2razz:
I don't even think it's extremist as much as it is lackadaisical "politicos" that fell they need a party to belong to but are to lazy to REALLY investigate the issues. They choose Repub. Pundits say "tax bad" so tax bad..always.
 
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