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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which position would that be?

    What I have repeatedly and frequented advocated is a five point across the board tax INCREASE for anyone earning dollar one - and that would include myself.
    But your words dont square with your desires. IF everyone was forced to pay income taxes to the federal government, people would be much less inclined to see government grow. The only way the left can increase the power of the state is to use the tax dollars confiscated from one group as a means of purchasing the eternal gratitude, and votes, of another. Your supposed desire for sharing the tax burden does not square with your overarching desire for bigger government. You support a raise in your own taxes for two reasons: 1. you know it wont happen 2. it provides you with a degree of cover for when you go after the real target for tax increases--the rich. But nice try, though.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you pay a lower rate-everyone pays a lower rate so your rant on that has no relevance
    I pay a higher total Federal tax rate than the super rich who earn most of their income from investments like Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett.

    what is relevant is the the rich are the only group that pay more of the income tax than our share of the income and people like you do not.
    if there is to be FAIRNESS a group that makes 22% of the income should only pay 22% of the taxes levied on that income and a group that makes 10% of the income should pay 10% of the income tax.
    That is only relevant to the far right minority in this country that thinks progressive taxation for the the last 80 years in this country has been socialistic, which I have already acknowledged in your ideology graph:

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Is that why Adam Smith seemed to agree with them??
    do you agree with everything (let alone understand or know) Adam Smith stated?

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    everyone else is paying an even lower rate to the point that the bottom 60% are paying NEGATIVE income tax rates
    That's crap and you should know it's crap. Your propaganda page even said the middle quintile most likely paid taxes because there was an error in their calculations - an error they didn't correct in the pretty little chart you copied -and you were made aware of that error so quit lying.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I pay a higher total Federal tax rate than the super rich who earn most of their income from investments like Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett.



    That is only relevant to the far right minority in this country that thinks progressive taxation for the the last 80 years in this country has been socialistic, which I have already acknowledged in your ideology graph:

    the super rich pay a higher rate on like income than you do

    you dishonestly compare one form of income with another

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But your words dont square with your desires. IF everyone was forced to pay income taxes to the federal government, people would be much less inclined to see government grow. The only way the left can increase the power of the state is to use the tax dollars confiscated from one group as a means of purchasing the eternal gratitude, and votes, of another. Your supposed desire for sharing the tax burden does not square with your overarching desire for bigger government. You support a raise in your own taxes for two reasons: 1. you know it wont happen 2. it provides you with a degree of cover for when you go after the real target for tax increases--the rich. But nice try, though.

    its so transparent-buying the votes of the many so the dem masters can rule and their minions can have more power as well

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you agree with everything (let alone understand or know) Adam Smith stated?
    No, but that has nothing to do with progressive taxes NOT being socialistic.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its so transparent-buying the votes of the many so the dem masters can rule and their minions can have more power as well
    Instead of buying the votes that really count - those of Congress - with PAC money.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its so transparent-buying the votes of the many so the dem masters can rule and their minions can have more power as well
    Right. State and local government provide most services that people use and the tax rates (in most states) are relatively low. The federal government is engaged primarily in wealth transfers and the recipients of those transfers are beholden to those who dole them out.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and union money that goes to dems is often taken from those of us who oppose their politics
    If it's union money it's "taken" but if it's a rich man's money it's "given"!
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